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		<title>By: DJ Coffman</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2005/12/30/world-serves-its-own-needs-dont-misserve-your-own-needs/comment-page-1/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ Coffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well... Bloggers ARE called &quot;citizen journalists&quot; now in the media.

Hahaha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230; Bloggers ARE called &#8220;citizen journalists&#8221; now in the media.</p>
<p>Hahaha</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Manley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey Manley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we gotta come up with &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; -- Narbonic ends in a year!

Joey
www.moderntales.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we gotta come up with <i>something</i> &#8212; Narbonic ends in a year!</p>
<p>Joey<br />
<a href="http://www.moderntales.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.moderntales.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: The William G</title>
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		<dc:creator>The William G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s when you know Eric has become untrustworthy:

Gossamer Commons becomes the Modern Tales flagship comic.

Other than that, it doesnt fucking matter. Eric Burns isn&#039;t a journalist, and Websnark isn&#039;t journalism. Can we drop that bullshit already?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s when you know Eric has become untrustworthy:</p>
<p>Gossamer Commons becomes the Modern Tales flagship comic.</p>
<p>Other than that, it doesnt fucking matter. Eric Burns isn&#8217;t a journalist, and Websnark isn&#8217;t journalism. Can we drop that bullshit already?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 06:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;You and I both know that there are lots of terrible comics out there that are (inexplicably to those of us with taste) wildly successful both in size of readership and in monentary gains.&lt;/em&gt;

There are many different intents in cartooning (and in &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; endeavor). Audience and finance are two reasons people do such things. They aren&#039;t the &lt;em&gt;only&lt;/em&gt; two reasons they do it.

Artistically, UfbT was a failure. So, I scrubbed it and went and did other stuff. I continued to grow. I continued trying things. And I found stuff I felt worked. And stuck with it.

You could indeed highlight a ton of flaws with Gossamer Commons, I&#039;m sure. And I would agree with some of them, I&#039;m sure. But to date, Gossamer Commons has succeeded in the things I&#039;ve tried to accomplish. I look back at the first two chapters, and while I see things I need to improve, I also see a Hell of a lot that I wanted to accomplish and &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt;. So no, I wouldn&#039;t think it was a failure, even if you highlighted its problems. Whereas when I look at UfbT, I see plenty of things I attempted that simply didn&#039;t work at all, and little that succeeded. So, I see that as a failure.

Money doesn&#039;t enter into either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>You and I both know that there are lots of terrible comics out there that are (inexplicably to those of us with taste) wildly successful both in size of readership and in monentary gains.</em></p>
<p>There are many different intents in cartooning (and in <em>any</em> endeavor). Audience and finance are two reasons people do such things. They aren&#8217;t the <em>only</em> two reasons they do it.</p>
<p>Artistically, UfbT was a failure. So, I scrubbed it and went and did other stuff. I continued to grow. I continued trying things. And I found stuff I felt worked. And stuck with it.</p>
<p>You could indeed highlight a ton of flaws with Gossamer Commons, I&#8217;m sure. And I would agree with some of them, I&#8217;m sure. But to date, Gossamer Commons has succeeded in the things I&#8217;ve tried to accomplish. I look back at the first two chapters, and while I see things I need to improve, I also see a Hell of a lot that I wanted to accomplish and <em>did</em>. So no, I wouldn&#8217;t think it was a failure, even if you highlighted its problems. Whereas when I look at UfbT, I see plenty of things I attempted that simply didn&#8217;t work at all, and little that succeeded. So, I see that as a failure.</p>
<p>Money doesn&#8217;t enter into either.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Lowrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Lowrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2006 22:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric - 
If for no other reason, you are *too well read* to believe for a second that having bad art and a bad story line and no sense of timing and no sense of character can in any way make a webcomic a failure.

You and I both know that there are lots of terrible comics out there that are (inexplicably to those of us with taste) wildly successful both in size of readership and in monentary gains.

So I still don&#039;t understand why you used the word &quot;failed&quot; - because you know better than to link it to artistic merits.

If I wrote a ten page missive that outlined all of the flaws that I could find in Gossamer Commons, and I backed them up historically, literarily, and artistically... And you found yourself agreeing with at least half my points - would you then consider it a failure?  

And how can you claim that you kept at it, when you say &quot;*later*, I had the chance&quot;.  That&#039;s clearly telling me there was a break between the two.  Are you saying that you kept writing comics and didn&#039;t share?  If so, again, why use the word &quot;failed&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric &#8211;<br />
If for no other reason, you are *too well read* to believe for a second that having bad art and a bad story line and no sense of timing and no sense of character can in any way make a webcomic a failure.</p>
<p>You and I both know that there are lots of terrible comics out there that are (inexplicably to those of us with taste) wildly successful both in size of readership and in monentary gains.</p>
<p>So I still don&#8217;t understand why you used the word &#8220;failed&#8221; &#8211; because you know better than to link it to artistic merits.</p>
<p>If I wrote a ten page missive that outlined all of the flaws that I could find in Gossamer Commons, and I backed them up historically, literarily, and artistically&#8230; And you found yourself agreeing with at least half my points &#8211; would you then consider it a failure?  </p>
<p>And how can you claim that you kept at it, when you say &#8220;*later*, I had the chance&#8221;.  That&#8217;s clearly telling me there was a break between the two.  Are you saying that you kept writing comics and didn&#8217;t share?  If so, again, why use the word &#8220;failed&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Right, but if that were actually true, you never would have â€œfailedâ€? as a webcomic artist. You would have just kept at it.&lt;/em&gt;

Well, except I did.

I did Unfettered by Talent because I wanted to, and because it was fun -- but it was also terrible. Ergo, I failed at it.

I never thought I&#039;d make a cent at it, though.

Later, I had the chance to &lt;em&gt;write&lt;/em&gt; webcomics, and that&#039;s gone much better. It&#039;s exciting and fun and I love it.

However, we don&#039;t make any money doing it. And I don&#039;t see that changing. We might shoot for print at some point, because that would be cool. However, the standards for success we&#039;re shooting for are artistic, not financial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Right, but if that were actually true, you never would have â€œfailedâ€? as a webcomic artist. You would have just kept at it.</em></p>
<p>Well, except I did.</p>
<p>I did Unfettered by Talent because I wanted to, and because it was fun &#8212; but it was also terrible. Ergo, I failed at it.</p>
<p>I never thought I&#8217;d make a cent at it, though.</p>
<p>Later, I had the chance to <em>write</em> webcomics, and that&#8217;s gone much better. It&#8217;s exciting and fun and I love it.</p>
<p>However, we don&#8217;t make any money doing it. And I don&#8217;t see that changing. We might shoot for print at some point, because that would be cool. However, the standards for success we&#8217;re shooting for are artistic, not financial.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ Coffman</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ Coffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2006 19:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had to advise anyone about newspapers now, I&#039;d tell them to stay away. Even just the past year alone, newspaper subscriptions have plummeted to an all time low. And many big newspapers are fudging their subscriber numbers by continuing to deliver papers after they cancel-- in essence, being able to keep their advertisers... but advertisers are getting a bit smarter now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had to advise anyone about newspapers now, I&#8217;d tell them to stay away. Even just the past year alone, newspaper subscriptions have plummeted to an all time low. And many big newspapers are fudging their subscriber numbers by continuing to deliver papers after they cancel&#8211; in essence, being able to keep their advertisers&#8230; but advertisers are getting a bit smarter now.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Manley</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2005/12/30/world-serves-its-own-needs-dont-misserve-your-own-needs/comment-page-1/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey Manley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2006 17:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sucks.

Newspaper syndication is definitely a direction I might want to explore for MT Free someday ... maybe we should talk at some point ...

Joey
www.moderntales.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sucks.</p>
<p>Newspaper syndication is definitely a direction I might want to explore for MT Free someday &#8230; maybe we should talk at some point &#8230;</p>
<p>Joey<br />
<a href="http://www.moderntales.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.moderntales.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: DJ Coffman</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ Coffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2006 17:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joey, I never heard back from them so I figured it wasn&#039;t really THAT important to them. I think it would have worked out, even though newspapers are probably a bad venue. If someone actually WORKED and put the work in on it, you can easily get into papers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joey, I never heard back from them so I figured it wasn&#8217;t really THAT important to them. I think it would have worked out, even though newspapers are probably a bad venue. If someone actually WORKED and put the work in on it, you can easily get into papers.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ Coffman</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ Coffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2006 17:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joey-- I never heard back from them on it actually. So I guess it went south.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joey&#8211; I never heard back from them on it actually. So I guess it went south.</p>
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