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		<title>By: Yirmumah</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/01/10/so-simple-that-only-a-child-can-do-it/#comment-6955</link>
		<dc:creator>Yirmumah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, it's a bunch of aspiring amatuer kids putting up their webcomics and cheating to make themselves 'THE BEST!" -- No one really gives a shit. I mean, anyone with half a mind knows something is up on those list sites when you look at the top ranked strips. 

It will be HARD or take a real mathematician AND a coder to make something legitimate that you can TRUST. But hey, if it makes them feel AWESOMELY GREAT to be #1, they're not fooling anyone else but themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, it&#8217;s a bunch of aspiring amatuer kids putting up their webcomics and cheating to make themselves &#8216;THE BEST!&#8221; &#8212; No one really gives a shit. I mean, anyone with half a mind knows something is up on those list sites when you look at the top ranked strips. </p>
<p>It will be HARD or take a real mathematician AND a coder to make something legitimate that you can TRUST. But hey, if it makes them feel AWESOMELY GREAT to be #1, they&#8217;re not fooling anyone else but themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick the Wonder Algae</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/01/10/so-simple-that-only-a-child-can-do-it/#comment-264</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick the Wonder Algae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was actually recently at one of the collectives you mentioned and saw this:
http://strangecase.smackjeeves.com/
listed as the best webcomic of all time.

The description was intigueing so I checked it out.  It truely IS awesome, but I doubt we can truely call a webcomic with less than a dozen pages "The best of all time"  In addition to number of votes, a robust voting system might attempt to take into account the age of the comic and the number of issues, etc...  While comics like the one above may indeed be masterful there's simply not enough data for it to eliminate the possibility of it's quality being an aberation.

I wonder if there's some sort of market for this sort of thing.  Given the propensity for the human condition to avoid math like the plague, it seems like there should be organizations willing to pay people to construct complex mathmatical ranking formulas that take into account multiple specified variables.

As to the joke:  Sorry.  Rest assured that my failure to get it lies solely in my n00bishness rather than your humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was actually recently at one of the collectives you mentioned and saw this:<br />
<a href="http://strangecase.smackjeeves.com/" rel="nofollow">http://strangecase.smackjeeves.com/</a><br />
listed as the best webcomic of all time.</p>
<p>The description was intigueing so I checked it out.  It truely IS awesome, but I doubt we can truely call a webcomic with less than a dozen pages &#8220;The best of all time&#8221;  In addition to number of votes, a robust voting system might attempt to take into account the age of the comic and the number of issues, etc&#8230;  While comics like the one above may indeed be masterful there&#8217;s simply not enough data for it to eliminate the possibility of it&#8217;s quality being an aberation.</p>
<p>I wonder if there&#8217;s some sort of market for this sort of thing.  Given the propensity for the human condition to avoid math like the plague, it seems like there should be organizations willing to pay people to construct complex mathmatical ranking formulas that take into account multiple specified variables.</p>
<p>As to the joke:  Sorry.  Rest assured that my failure to get it lies solely in my n00bishness rather than your humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Lowrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Lowrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment about the Riemann Zeta function was another reference to Cryptonomicon, intended as a kind of joke.

The problem, Dan, is that - except for professional critics like Gary and I - nobody else is qualified to decide if a comic is 'good' or not. (this is a *joke*).  An individual opinion that a comic is good doesn't mean a lot - especially because it could clearly be the author themselves who is saying it's good.

So the notion of including the total number of votes into the ranking is part of the whole notion of utilizing the collective stupidity of the internet.

Yes, new comics need exposure.  And good new comics need exposure more than bad old comics need exposure.  But listing a comic as one of the top ten of *ALL TIME*, because the chowderhead who made it got his friends to say it was good, is clearly wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment about the Riemann Zeta function was another reference to Cryptonomicon, intended as a kind of joke.</p>
<p>The problem, Dan, is that - except for professional critics like Gary and I - nobody else is qualified to decide if a comic is &#8216;good&#8217; or not. (this is a *joke*).  An individual opinion that a comic is good doesn&#8217;t mean a lot - especially because it could clearly be the author themselves who is saying it&#8217;s good.</p>
<p>So the notion of including the total number of votes into the ranking is part of the whole notion of utilizing the collective stupidity of the internet.</p>
<p>Yes, new comics need exposure.  And good new comics need exposure more than bad old comics need exposure.  But listing a comic as one of the top ten of *ALL TIME*, because the chowderhead who made it got his friends to say it was good, is clearly wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 05:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't the Reimann Zeta function one of those million dollar math problems?

Anyway, you make a very valid point, but I ask the question, what is the reason for a rating system to begin with? I believe the answer is simply so that good comics get the exposure they deserve. In that case, what's wrong with letting a comic with only a few ratings get some good exposure? If the rating isn't true to that comic, people will see, and rate accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the Reimann Zeta function one of those million dollar math problems?</p>
<p>Anyway, you make a very valid point, but I ask the question, what is the reason for a rating system to begin with? I believe the answer is simply so that good comics get the exposure they deserve. In that case, what&#8217;s wrong with letting a comic with only a few ratings get some good exposure? If the rating isn&#8217;t true to that comic, people will see, and rate accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Tyrrell</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/01/10/so-simple-that-only-a-child-can-do-it/#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Tyrrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody looking to implement a ranking system, keep in mind the long-cherished mathematics lesson: &lt;a href="http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~tsk23/Songs/tomlehrer.html#loba" rel="nofollow"&gt;Plagiarize&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;a href="http://www.rottentomatoes.com/features/rtawards/index_2005.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;Rotten Tomatoes&lt;/a&gt; has a nice weighting formula they use to determine best-reviewed movies in a given year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody looking to implement a ranking system, keep in mind the long-cherished mathematics lesson: <a href="http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~tsk23/Songs/tomlehrer.html#loba" rel="nofollow">Plagiarize</a>. <a href="http://www.rottentomatoes.com/features/rtawards/index_2005.php" rel="nofollow">Rotten Tomatoes</a> has a nice weighting formula they use to determine best-reviewed movies in a given year.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick the Wonder Algae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick the Wonder Algae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Jeff.  You completely lost me.  For "not being a mathmatician" you sure pulled a complex refference out. I looked up the Riemann Zeta function, but I admit I'm at a loss to see how it would help with ranking codings.  Luckily for me, I suppose, I'm not planning on ranking anything anytime soon though if you have a link showing how to use the one to do the other I'd gladly take a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Jeff.  You completely lost me.  For &#8220;not being a mathmatician&#8221; you sure pulled a complex refference out. I looked up the Riemann Zeta function, but I admit I&#8217;m at a loss to see how it would help with ranking codings.  Luckily for me, I suppose, I&#8217;m not planning on ranking anything anytime soon though if you have a link showing how to use the one to do the other I&#8217;d gladly take a look.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Buchwald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Buchwald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have officially decided that the rankings mean very little of anything.  In general, they seem to indicate roughly which comics are best at persuading their fans to click a vote button as many times as possible.

Incidentally, as I get more readers to my &lt;a href="http://www.baldninja.com" title="Fodi" rel="nofollow"&gt;comic&lt;/a&gt; (I gauge this in terms of direct request and bookmark visits per day), less people vote for me.

What does that tell you? I have no clue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have officially decided that the rankings mean very little of anything.  In general, they seem to indicate roughly which comics are best at persuading their fans to click a vote button as many times as possible.</p>
<p>Incidentally, as I get more readers to my <a href="http://www.baldninja.com" title="Fodi" rel="nofollow">comic</a> (I gauge this in terms of direct request and bookmark visits per day), less people vote for me.</p>
<p>What does that tell you? I have no clue.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Lowrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Lowrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If these ratings were merely &lt;i&gt;supposed&lt;/i&gt; to measure popularity, then they would merely count page views.

Also, I think if you follow my link on "quality", you might find that I was making a joke about the assumption that these measure quality.

As for Heiseberng Compensators... I have mine hooked up to a cup of tea.  Well, Advanced Tea Substitute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If these ratings were merely <i>supposed</i> to measure popularity, then they would merely count page views.</p>
<p>Also, I think if you follow my link on &#8220;quality&#8221;, you might find that I was making a joke about the assumption that these measure quality.</p>
<p>As for Heiseberng Compensators&#8230; I have mine hooked up to a cup of tea.  Well, Advanced Tea Substitute.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first problem with these is actually assuming the ratings have anything to do with quality. They're a measure of popularity. The second problem is assuming the ratings have anything to do with reality. No matter how perfect the coding there's still the human factor clicking on things, human beings that can and do lie.

So crank up those Heisenberg Compensators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first problem with these is actually assuming the ratings have anything to do with quality. They&#8217;re a measure of popularity. The second problem is assuming the ratings have anything to do with reality. No matter how perfect the coding there&#8217;s still the human factor clicking on things, human beings that can and do lie.</p>
<p>So crank up those Heisenberg Compensators.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Lowrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Lowrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick - maybe you need to use a Riemann zeta function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick - maybe you need to use a Riemann zeta function.</p>
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