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	<title>Comments on: The Best Webcomics Of 2004, 2005, And Maybe A Little Bit Of 2006</title>
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		<title>By: Fleen: Written by bitter, haggard wordbeasts &#187; Wednesday Morning Roundup</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/01/19/ccas/#comment-5133</link>
		<dc:creator>Fleen: Written by bitter, haggard wordbeasts &#187; Wednesday Morning Roundup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The WCCA nominations are out, and there are some tough categories this year. Achewood vs. Scary Go Round vs. Perry Bible Fellowship? Copper vs. A Lesson Is Learned vs. Applegeeks? We talked about their process earlier in the year, but a question has occurred to me just now as I&#8217;m typing this. I want to know &#8212; even more than the size of the electorate on these things, about which I&#8217;m curious &#8212; &#8220;Outstanding Comedic Comic&#8221;? Isn&#8217;t that a tad redundant? Mark Mekkes, if you&#8217;re reading this, fill us on on the decision to use that wording. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The WCCA nominations are out, and there are some tough categories this year. Achewood vs. Scary Go Round vs. Perry Bible Fellowship? Copper vs. A Lesson Is Learned vs. Applegeeks? We talked about their process earlier in the year, but a question has occurred to me just now as I&#8217;m typing this. I want to know &#8212; even more than the size of the electorate on these things, about which I&#8217;m curious &#8212; &#8220;Outstanding Comedic Comic&#8221;? Isn&#8217;t that a tad redundant? Mark Mekkes, if you&#8217;re reading this, fill us on on the decision to use that wording. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tangent</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/01/19/ccas/#comment-367</link>
		<dc:creator>Tangent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've a better idea. Critics who wish to can do the nomination process. However, in that case their comics are no longer valid for consideration. 

Of course, then you have to ask... why critics? What gives a critic the right to say who gets an award or not? And who decides what makes a critic? I mean, anyone can have a blog. Anyone can talk about comics. At what point does that blog make someone a "critic"?

Perhaps the entire thing should be fan-based. Let fans do the nominations, being allowed to nominate one comic for each category. The top 6 of each category are the ones who will ultimately be considered. Sort of a two-tier fan-based award ceremony. 

Robert A. Howard, Tangents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve a better idea. Critics who wish to can do the nomination process. However, in that case their comics are no longer valid for consideration. </p>
<p>Of course, then you have to ask&#8230; why critics? What gives a critic the right to say who gets an award or not? And who decides what makes a critic? I mean, anyone can have a blog. Anyone can talk about comics. At what point does that blog make someone a &#8220;critic&#8221;?</p>
<p>Perhaps the entire thing should be fan-based. Let fans do the nominations, being allowed to nominate one comic for each category. The top 6 of each category are the ones who will ultimately be considered. Sort of a two-tier fan-based award ceremony. </p>
<p>Robert A. Howard, Tangents</p>
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		<title>By: bup</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/01/19/ccas/#comment-361</link>
		<dc:creator>bup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;I think the entire process is retarded. let’s all pat ourselves on the back again this year. 

He says that out of love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;I think the entire process is retarded. let’s all pat ourselves on the back again this year. </p>
<p>He says that out of love.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Mekkes</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/01/19/ccas/#comment-348</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Mekkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit that I've never understood that argument.  If you really do pat yourself on the back it's simply considered "self promotion" but by patting someone else's back it means we're patting ourselves on the back?

I'm also a firm believer that these awards (like any others) are only as meaningful as you make them.  There have been several winners that didn't interest me, then again there were some that I had never heard of that I've become a fan of.

And William G's right, if we did narrow down a time frame, it probably would be 365 days from the event rather than a calender year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit that I&#8217;ve never understood that argument.  If you really do pat yourself on the back it&#8217;s simply considered &#8220;self promotion&#8221; but by patting someone else&#8217;s back it means we&#8217;re patting ourselves on the back?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also a firm believer that these awards (like any others) are only as meaningful as you make them.  There have been several winners that didn&#8217;t interest me, then again there were some that I had never heard of that I&#8217;ve become a fan of.</p>
<p>And William G&#8217;s right, if we did narrow down a time frame, it probably would be 365 days from the event rather than a calender year.</p>
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		<title>By: The William G</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/01/19/ccas/#comment-347</link>
		<dc:creator>The William G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The WCCAs are nothing more than a group of webcomickers telling some of their peers they thought they did a good job and deserve accolades for it. Certain folks find that offensive for some reason. Go figure it's from the same guys you always see looking for a small dog to kick. 

Anyway, I always just assumed voting was for the previous 365 days before the current awards ceremony. Not too difficult of an idea to hang your hat on. Probably be a good idea for Mark to use if he isnt already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WCCAs are nothing more than a group of webcomickers telling some of their peers they thought they did a good job and deserve accolades for it. Certain folks find that offensive for some reason. Go figure it&#8217;s from the same guys you always see looking for a small dog to kick. </p>
<p>Anyway, I always just assumed voting was for the previous 365 days before the current awards ceremony. Not too difficult of an idea to hang your hat on. Probably be a good idea for Mark to use if he isnt already.</p>
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		<title>By: T Campbell</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/01/19/ccas/#comment-345</link>
		<dc:creator>T Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm on staff again this year, trying my best to influence things in the direction I see as most productive, and I echo Mark's call for the other critics to do the same. 

The fundamental criticism of the awards-- that we're "patting ourselves on the back"-- is arguably true of any industry-inclusive set of awards up to and including the Oscars. The Oscars are far from perfect, but without their presence I don't know if certain artistically ambitious films would even get made, much less widely seen.

As Scott McCloud has it, "the challenge is to grow outward." Rather than see the WCCAs dismissed, I'd prefer to see them supplemented by a set of awards that are clearly "Critics' Choices," that come from people who are not cartoonists themselves nor at risk of becoming cartoonists at any moment.

What say you, FLEEN editors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m on staff again this year, trying my best to influence things in the direction I see as most productive, and I echo Mark&#8217;s call for the other critics to do the same. </p>
<p>The fundamental criticism of the awards&#8211; that we&#8217;re &#8220;patting ourselves on the back&#8221;&#8211; is arguably true of any industry-inclusive set of awards up to and including the Oscars. The Oscars are far from perfect, but without their presence I don&#8217;t know if certain artistically ambitious films would even get made, much less widely seen.</p>
<p>As Scott McCloud has it, &#8220;the challenge is to grow outward.&#8221; Rather than see the WCCAs dismissed, I&#8217;d prefer to see them supplemented by a set of awards that are clearly &#8220;Critics&#8217; Choices,&#8221; that come from people who are not cartoonists themselves nor at risk of becoming cartoonists at any moment.</p>
<p>What say you, FLEEN editors?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Mekkes</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/01/19/ccas/#comment-328</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Mekkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all I want to say that we love this kind of debate.  Anything that makes us think about improving our process is more than welcome.  Please don't hesitate to pass on any of your suggestions!

I just wanted to touch on what seems to be the main point of this debate; ironing out the dates of what we're awarding.  And the reason I said that it was "easier" to leave it vague wasn't because we couldn't make a firm time requirement.  But because the votes are really entirely subjective anyway.  Creating rules that can't be regulated is just creating a level of complication that's easier to avoid.

Unfortunately, without drastically changing our voting process (and possibly creating some kind of mind reading device) there's no way to verify that the voters really are basing their vote on a comic's performance during a specific time.  So to be honest, the "previous year" objective is really more of a guideline than a rule.

However, as always, anyone who wants to join our planning committee and help us find ways to make the awards stronger and more respectable are more than welcome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all I want to say that we love this kind of debate.  Anything that makes us think about improving our process is more than welcome.  Please don&#8217;t hesitate to pass on any of your suggestions!</p>
<p>I just wanted to touch on what seems to be the main point of this debate; ironing out the dates of what we&#8217;re awarding.  And the reason I said that it was &#8220;easier&#8221; to leave it vague wasn&#8217;t because we couldn&#8217;t make a firm time requirement.  But because the votes are really entirely subjective anyway.  Creating rules that can&#8217;t be regulated is just creating a level of complication that&#8217;s easier to avoid.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, without drastically changing our voting process (and possibly creating some kind of mind reading device) there&#8217;s no way to verify that the voters really are basing their vote on a comic&#8217;s performance during a specific time.  So to be honest, the &#8220;previous year&#8221; objective is really more of a guideline than a rule.</p>
<p>However, as always, anyone who wants to join our planning committee and help us find ways to make the awards stronger and more respectable are more than welcome!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Lowrey</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/01/19/ccas/#comment-325</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Lowrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I agree with Jeff. Best Newcomer should be able to apply to comics that have been online between one AND two years.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, you disagree with me.

Any comic that has been around for at least a year is not a newcomer.

Or maybe you're going along with Chris's joke, and are just trying to get your own comic included.  That's all well and good - but you're still not a newcomer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I agree with Jeff. Best Newcomer should be able to apply to comics that have been online between one AND two years.</i></p>
<p>Actually, you disagree with me.</p>
<p>Any comic that has been around for at least a year is not a newcomer.</p>
<p>Or maybe you&#8217;re going along with Chris&#8217;s joke, and are just trying to get your own comic included.  That&#8217;s all well and good - but you&#8217;re still not a newcomer.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ Coffman</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/01/19/ccas/#comment-316</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ Coffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I criticized this competition before, and I got an e-mail from some anonymous ass saying I was just bitter that I wasn't nominated. It would be practically impossible for me to be nominated by my "peers" because I think I've told off just about every artsy fartsy creator out there. 

I'll stick by what I said before, and even if I was nominated for an award through them, I'd ask that it not be listed. 

I also think it's pretty retarded when someone quotes the fact their a winner of these awards-- I guess to the outside, it does sound pretty fucking impressive that you won the best of something or other....

YIRMUMAH, Winner of the 2005 BEST COMICS EVER awards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I criticized this competition before, and I got an e-mail from some anonymous ass saying I was just bitter that I wasn&#8217;t nominated. It would be practically impossible for me to be nominated by my &#8220;peers&#8221; because I think I&#8217;ve told off just about every artsy fartsy creator out there. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll stick by what I said before, and even if I was nominated for an award through them, I&#8217;d ask that it not be listed. </p>
<p>I also think it&#8217;s pretty retarded when someone quotes the fact their a winner of these awards&#8211; I guess to the outside, it does sound pretty fucking impressive that you won the best of something or other&#8230;.</p>
<p>YIRMUMAH, Winner of the 2005 BEST COMICS EVER awards.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Buchwald</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/01/19/ccas/#comment-311</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Buchwald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know as a reader, I'd be confused as hell if a Best of Year X awards article came out halfway through Year X+1. I wholeheartedly agree with Mr. Payne's first comment. Ambiguity and vagueness are hardly bedfellows with simplicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know as a reader, I&#8217;d be confused as hell if a Best of Year X awards article came out halfway through Year X+1. I wholeheartedly agree with Mr. Payne&#8217;s first comment. Ambiguity and vagueness are hardly bedfellows with simplicity.</p>
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