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		<title>By: Fleen: Written by bitter, haggard wordbeasts &#187; From Zero To Sittin&#8217; On A Mountain With Joey Manley In Three Months, or, The Opposite Of A Review</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/02/07/sometimes-its-more-than-just-a-rut/comment-page-1/#comment-6963</link>
		<dc:creator>Fleen: Written by bitter, haggard wordbeasts &#187; From Zero To Sittin&#8217; On A Mountain With Joey Manley In Three Months, or, The Opposite Of A Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I cite the Porkwrench [sic] review by Jeff Lowery. Porkwrench [sic] got a HUGE boost of many thousands of visitors from you, for a week. Your full review did not translate into readership for porkwrench [sic] that I could tell. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I cite the Porkwrench [sic] review by Jeff Lowery. Porkwrench [sic] got a HUGE boost of many thousands of visitors from you, for a week. Your full review did not translate into readership for porkwrench [sic] that I could tell. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A murder of crows &#187; Blog Archive &#187; An Open Letter to Fleen - Pillow Fight Club</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/02/07/sometimes-its-more-than-just-a-rut/comment-page-1/#comment-1110</link>
		<dc:creator>A murder of crows &#187; Blog Archive &#187; An Open Letter to Fleen - Pillow Fight Club</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 02:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For argument sake, lets say I am trying goad you to mention me, or my comic. I cite the Porkwrench review that Jeff Lowery thought could be better. It got a HUGE boost of many thousands of visitors from you, for a week. Your full review did not translate into readership that I could tell. I ask you, where will I be the following week after your trashing review of my comic? You and I both know, I will still be a D-List persona. You, being the more recognized between us, must put up, or shut up. You have forgotten the first rule of Pillow Fight Club. That is what you don&#039;t understand about comics. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For argument sake, lets say I am trying goad you to mention me, or my comic. I cite the Porkwrench review that Jeff Lowery thought could be better. It got a HUGE boost of many thousands of visitors from you, for a week. Your full review did not translate into readership that I could tell. I ask you, where will I be the following week after your trashing review of my comic? You and I both know, I will still be a D-List persona. You, being the more recognized between us, must put up, or shut up. You have forgotten the first rule of Pillow Fight Club. That is what you don&#8217;t understand about comics. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Burns</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/02/07/sometimes-its-more-than-just-a-rut/comment-page-1/#comment-645</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Last one today, I promise.)

Oh, and technically reviews do constitute criticism. Which other folks have already mentioned. That doesn&#039;t mean that Jeff&#039;s trying to do critical work, per se. He&#039;s not doing literary analysis or interpretation most days, and he may not be interested in anyone following up on what he says.

But, reviews do fall into the critic&#039;s purview, and as a result get sucked into the discourse along with all the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Last one today, I promise.)</p>
<p>Oh, and technically reviews do constitute criticism. Which other folks have already mentioned. That doesn&#8217;t mean that Jeff&#8217;s trying to do critical work, per se. He&#8217;s not doing literary analysis or interpretation most days, and he may not be interested in anyone following up on what he says.</p>
<p>But, reviews do fall into the critic&#8217;s purview, and as a result get sucked into the discourse along with all the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Burns</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/02/07/sometimes-its-more-than-just-a-rut/comment-page-1/#comment-644</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff -- believe it or not, I know how you feel. And I understand the frustration with producing something every day and trying to make it... well, not suck.

I did the &quot;every day, rain or shine&quot; thing on &#039;Snark for something like three hundred consecutive days.

Looking back, I&#039;m thinking I&#039;d have done myself and my readers alike more good if I&#039;d taken some days off.

I respect what you&#039;re trying to do -- but if you find yourself pushing the limits of quality this early on in an effort to produce quantity... you may want to rethink the mission.

Remember, you&#039;re running a marathon, not a dash. Pacing is a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff &#8212; believe it or not, I know how you feel. And I understand the frustration with producing something every day and trying to make it&#8230; well, not suck.</p>
<p>I did the &#8220;every day, rain or shine&#8221; thing on &#8216;Snark for something like three hundred consecutive days.</p>
<p>Looking back, I&#8217;m thinking I&#8217;d have done myself and my readers alike more good if I&#8217;d taken some days off.</p>
<p>I respect what you&#8217;re trying to do &#8212; but if you find yourself pushing the limits of quality this early on in an effort to produce quantity&#8230; you may want to rethink the mission.</p>
<p>Remember, you&#8217;re running a marathon, not a dash. Pacing is a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Burns</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/02/07/sometimes-its-more-than-just-a-rut/comment-page-1/#comment-643</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Eric Burns made a comment on the Webcomics Examiner recently that webcomics were all about authorial intent (to the chagrin of the post-structuralists among us). &lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, Eric sodding well did not. ;)

Eric made a statement that though he &lt;em&gt;disdains&lt;/em&gt; the concept of Authorial Intent, there was no other lens to look at &lt;em&gt;Experimental&lt;/em&gt; webcomics through much of the time, because Authorial Intent is the medium being worked in.

Eric is a New Critic, and thinks Authorial Intent and six-ninty-five will buy an overpriced cup of coffee, but that literary interpretation doesn&#039;t need to even let it in the room if it doesn&#039;t want to, so long as the interpretation is supportable by the text.

For the record.

(Also, the death of Authorial Intent is Modernist, two revolutions or so before Post-Structuralism. Also for the record. ;) )

(Man, Jeff&#039;s got to hate these asides.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Eric Burns made a comment on the Webcomics Examiner recently that webcomics were all about authorial intent (to the chagrin of the post-structuralists among us). </p></blockquote>
<p>No, Eric sodding well did not. <img src='http://www.fleen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Eric made a statement that though he <em>disdains</em> the concept of Authorial Intent, there was no other lens to look at <em>Experimental</em> webcomics through much of the time, because Authorial Intent is the medium being worked in.</p>
<p>Eric is a New Critic, and thinks Authorial Intent and six-ninty-five will buy an overpriced cup of coffee, but that literary interpretation doesn&#8217;t need to even let it in the room if it doesn&#8217;t want to, so long as the interpretation is supportable by the text.</p>
<p>For the record.</p>
<p>(Also, the death of Authorial Intent is Modernist, two revolutions or so before Post-Structuralism. Also for the record. <img src='http://www.fleen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>(Man, Jeff&#8217;s got to hate these asides.)</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Carter</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/02/07/sometimes-its-more-than-just-a-rut/comment-page-1/#comment-624</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judging from the number of comments to this post I&#039;d say people succeeded in filling in the blanks you had when trying to find something constructive to say. I have no problem with the post as it was written, but maybe a &quot;what do you folks think?&quot; would be nice when you hit a blank like that. Or is that implied in a blog situation like this?

I think commenting on as many webcomics as possible, good or bad, is helpful. And some posts are going to be short. And not always &quot;nice&quot;. Aren&#039;t you supposed to say what you think? Personally, I like having completely different styles of writing available. Short, with a &quot;here&#039;s what I think&quot; and   a &quot;move along&quot;, is just fine by me.

Just like with movie reviews if I read a few by the same author I can usually guess whether I&#039;ll like the movie or not. And it has nothing to do with whether they like it or not. Just a thumbs up or thumbs down is enough most of the time. 

Plus, I&#039;m busy. Capsule reviews are a Good Thing(tm). Less can be more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judging from the number of comments to this post I&#8217;d say people succeeded in filling in the blanks you had when trying to find something constructive to say. I have no problem with the post as it was written, but maybe a &#8220;what do you folks think?&#8221; would be nice when you hit a blank like that. Or is that implied in a blog situation like this?</p>
<p>I think commenting on as many webcomics as possible, good or bad, is helpful. And some posts are going to be short. And not always &#8220;nice&#8221;. Aren&#8217;t you supposed to say what you think? Personally, I like having completely different styles of writing available. Short, with a &#8220;here&#8217;s what I think&#8221; and   a &#8220;move along&#8221;, is just fine by me.</p>
<p>Just like with movie reviews if I read a few by the same author I can usually guess whether I&#8217;ll like the movie or not. And it has nothing to do with whether they like it or not. Just a thumbs up or thumbs down is enough most of the time. </p>
<p>Plus, I&#8217;m busy. Capsule reviews are a Good Thing(tm). Less can be more.</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvan Migdal</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/02/07/sometimes-its-more-than-just-a-rut/comment-page-1/#comment-616</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvan Migdal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 13:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to pop up and defend Jeff&#039;s post on a couple points:

1. &quot;Ad hominem&quot;. This post is not an ad hominem attack. It&#039;s not a &quot;bitch-slap&quot;. Whatever your opinion of the review, it&#039;s clearly slamming the comic itself, not the author.

2. &quot;Constructive criticism&quot;. This post is a review. Constructive criticism is an entirely different phenomenon which is intended specifically for the artist&#039;s ears. A reviewer has absolutely no obligation to offer advice to creators.

As a general rule, I don&#039;t give people constructive criticism unless they specifically ask for it. Reviewing their work for the benefit of others, however, is fair game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to pop up and defend Jeff&#8217;s post on a couple points:</p>
<p>1. &#8220;Ad hominem&#8221;. This post is not an ad hominem attack. It&#8217;s not a &#8220;bitch-slap&#8221;. Whatever your opinion of the review, it&#8217;s clearly slamming the comic itself, not the author.</p>
<p>2. &#8220;Constructive criticism&#8221;. This post is a review. Constructive criticism is an entirely different phenomenon which is intended specifically for the artist&#8217;s ears. A reviewer has absolutely no obligation to offer advice to creators.</p>
<p>As a general rule, I don&#8217;t give people constructive criticism unless they specifically ask for it. Reviewing their work for the benefit of others, however, is fair game.</p>
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		<title>By: Monkey Law Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Apples to apples</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/02/07/sometimes-its-more-than-just-a-rut/comment-page-1/#comment-594</link>
		<dc:creator>Monkey Law Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Apples to apples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I was reading this thread on Fleen today, and one poster made a pretty good point regarding comparing webcomics at an earlier state of gestation with powerhouses like Penny Arcade&#8230;. Should that be that a strip just starting be held to the same standards as Penny Arcade now, or Penny Arcade when it was just starting? Cos thereâ€™s a bit of difference between the then and now (as there is for a whole heap of webcomics currently sitting at the top of the pile after many many years of trying to get it right). Gotta start somewhere. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I was reading this thread on Fleen today, and one poster made a pretty good point regarding comparing webcomics at an earlier state of gestation with powerhouses like Penny Arcade&#8230;. Should that be that a strip just starting be held to the same standards as Penny Arcade now, or Penny Arcade when it was just starting? Cos thereâ€™s a bit of difference between the then and now (as there is for a whole heap of webcomics currently sitting at the top of the pile after many many years of trying to get it right). Gotta start somewhere. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/02/07/sometimes-its-more-than-just-a-rut/comment-page-1/#comment-593</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, Stephen. I wouldn&#039;t compare my own strip as it stands now to Penny Arcade today, but who knows how it stands up to PA&#039;s 214th strip... hmm....

Does anyone know which strip was Penny Arcade&#039;s 214th? :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, Stephen. I wouldn&#8217;t compare my own strip as it stands now to Penny Arcade today, but who knows how it stands up to PA&#8217;s 214th strip&#8230; hmm&#8230;.</p>
<p>Does anyone know which strip was Penny Arcade&#8217;s 214th? <img src='http://www.fleen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Crowley</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/02/07/sometimes-its-more-than-just-a-rut/comment-page-1/#comment-592</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Crowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should that be that a strip just starting be held to the same standards as Penny Arcade now, or Penny Arcade when it was just starting? Cos there&#039;s a bit of difference between the then and now (as there is for a whole heap of webcomics currently sitting at the top of the pile after many many years of trying to get it right). Gotta start somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should that be that a strip just starting be held to the same standards as Penny Arcade now, or Penny Arcade when it was just starting? Cos there&#8217;s a bit of difference between the then and now (as there is for a whole heap of webcomics currently sitting at the top of the pile after many many years of trying to get it right). Gotta start somewhere.</p>
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