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		<title>By: Betty</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/06/28/the-act-itself-is-a-joke/comment-page-2/#comment-97434</link>
		<dc:creator>Betty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 04:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.... I&#039;m sorry, did you even -read- Girly? I&#039;ve been reading it from the start and am still hooked. If maybe you&#039;d looked a little further than your knee-jerk misunderstanding of El Chupacabre, you&#039;d have seen that he develops and evolves as something complex, sensitive and -gasp!- FUNNY.  Girly is clever, endearing, and off-the-wall. It&#039;s cute and it&#039;s rude and it&#039;s great. It&#039;s definitely -not- an apologia for rape? Any more than it&#039;s an apologia for shooting people into space, huh. And just because everyone else is doing it, I&#039;ll mention that I, also, am a GIRL and that I ENJOY Girly muchly. Girl. Enjoying. Not offended. Not creeped out. But then again, I&#039;ve read the damn thing through.

I mean, really. Why even &quot;review&quot; (the word scarcely applies here) a comic if you&#039;re going to emit something like the above? Beyond misreading the (small part of the comic you read) entirely, I&#039;d say your greatest sin is almost one of omission. Not a single mention of the artwork - a tenet of Girly, in my opinion. Bold, boppy and savvy, reflecting inventiveness and borrowing elements from comics&#039; long tradition, the art is what makes me go back again and again. 

Oh, and... MARSHMALLOW CAT. Come on. A review of Girly needs a mention of Marshmallow Cat! 

I mean... This is just a ridiculous un-review. Got something against Mr. Lesnick personally or something? Tease you in grade three? Dated your sister?  Because whatever this is, it ain&#039;t a review of Girly - one of my favourite web (or any!) comics out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;. I&#8217;m sorry, did you even -read- Girly? I&#8217;ve been reading it from the start and am still hooked. If maybe you&#8217;d looked a little further than your knee-jerk misunderstanding of El Chupacabre, you&#8217;d have seen that he develops and evolves as something complex, sensitive and -gasp!- FUNNY.  Girly is clever, endearing, and off-the-wall. It&#8217;s cute and it&#8217;s rude and it&#8217;s great. It&#8217;s definitely -not- an apologia for rape? Any more than it&#8217;s an apologia for shooting people into space, huh. And just because everyone else is doing it, I&#8217;ll mention that I, also, am a GIRL and that I ENJOY Girly muchly. Girl. Enjoying. Not offended. Not creeped out. But then again, I&#8217;ve read the damn thing through.</p>
<p>I mean, really. Why even &#8220;review&#8221; (the word scarcely applies here) a comic if you&#8217;re going to emit something like the above? Beyond misreading the (small part of the comic you read) entirely, I&#8217;d say your greatest sin is almost one of omission. Not a single mention of the artwork &#8211; a tenet of Girly, in my opinion. Bold, boppy and savvy, reflecting inventiveness and borrowing elements from comics&#8217; long tradition, the art is what makes me go back again and again. </p>
<p>Oh, and&#8230; MARSHMALLOW CAT. Come on. A review of Girly needs a mention of Marshmallow Cat! </p>
<p>I mean&#8230; This is just a ridiculous un-review. Got something against Mr. Lesnick personally or something? Tease you in grade three? Dated your sister?  Because whatever this is, it ain&#8217;t a review of Girly &#8211; one of my favourite web (or any!) comics out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhys Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/06/28/the-act-itself-is-a-joke/comment-page-2/#comment-88116</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhys Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 14:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think girly is awesome, i guess people just worry too much about whats acceptable anymore.

I think we shold all just take a review as a comment which effectively it is, and just accept that everybody has varying opinions.

Just don&#039;t stop making girly Josh because its amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think girly is awesome, i guess people just worry too much about whats acceptable anymore.</p>
<p>I think we shold all just take a review as a comment which effectively it is, and just accept that everybody has varying opinions.</p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t stop making girly Josh because its amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C. Mongler</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/06/28/the-act-itself-is-a-joke/comment-page-2/#comment-82893</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C. Mongler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 18:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baaaaaw! This comic presents what I consider to be rape in what I consider to be an insensitive manner! This comic doesn&#039;t submit to my own unique and reactionary viewpoint on the world!

Why won&#039;t everyone just agree with me all the time? Why is everyone else so wrong about everyting? Baaaaaw!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baaaaaw! This comic presents what I consider to be rape in what I consider to be an insensitive manner! This comic doesn&#8217;t submit to my own unique and reactionary viewpoint on the world!</p>
<p>Why won&#8217;t everyone just agree with me all the time? Why is everyone else so wrong about everyting? Baaaaaw!</p>
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		<title>By: Catsmack</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/06/28/the-act-itself-is-a-joke/comment-page-2/#comment-10028</link>
		<dc:creator>Catsmack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, assuming this was supposed to be a review of Girly, it wasn&#039;t a very thorough one. The reviewer only read one story arc, then wrote about it. How the hell is that a review?
This would be similar to if someone only read Something Positive&#039;s Nerdrotica story arc, then wrote an enraged article about how SP exists soley to promote porn.

If this was indeed supposed to be a review of the comic as a whole, it might help to (GASP) actually read the entire comic. As a webcomic reviewer, you should be going through the entire archive of a comic before committing to an opinion of it and the idea of writing an article even crosses your mind. Yes, it&#039;s time consuming and tiring, but without doing that how can the article be accurate? As we see here, for example, it can&#039;t. 
Assumptions and not getting the whole story make for inaccurate tripe like this. 

For some reason I have a feeling that this article was an attack on Josh&#039;s choice to use porn (Slipshine) as a means of income. Of course if someone uses an alternate means such as that to support themselves he MUST be a sex obsessed freak!
Although I do not have any solid evidence that Josh is not a nympho (except that from what I&#039;ve heard he&#039;s a really nice guy), I do feel that both his Adult and &quot;Clean&quot; work is in good taste, and I have yet to be offended by them (because I&#039;m female so my chance of getting offended by sex and nudity is 100x more likely than a male, amIright?).

Of course, there&#039;s a chance that you either don&#039;t know about Slipshine or have no problem with it. In which case, this was just one poorly executed article in a sea of brilliance (which I have yet to read) and it will never happen again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, assuming this was supposed to be a review of Girly, it wasn&#8217;t a very thorough one. The reviewer only read one story arc, then wrote about it. How the hell is that a review?<br />
This would be similar to if someone only read Something Positive&#8217;s Nerdrotica story arc, then wrote an enraged article about how SP exists soley to promote porn.</p>
<p>If this was indeed supposed to be a review of the comic as a whole, it might help to (GASP) actually read the entire comic. As a webcomic reviewer, you should be going through the entire archive of a comic before committing to an opinion of it and the idea of writing an article even crosses your mind. Yes, it&#8217;s time consuming and tiring, but without doing that how can the article be accurate? As we see here, for example, it can&#8217;t.<br />
Assumptions and not getting the whole story make for inaccurate tripe like this. </p>
<p>For some reason I have a feeling that this article was an attack on Josh&#8217;s choice to use porn (Slipshine) as a means of income. Of course if someone uses an alternate means such as that to support themselves he MUST be a sex obsessed freak!<br />
Although I do not have any solid evidence that Josh is not a nympho (except that from what I&#8217;ve heard he&#8217;s a really nice guy), I do feel that both his Adult and &#8220;Clean&#8221; work is in good taste, and I have yet to be offended by them (because I&#8217;m female so my chance of getting offended by sex and nudity is 100x more likely than a male, amIright?).</p>
<p>Of course, there&#8217;s a chance that you either don&#8217;t know about Slipshine or have no problem with it. In which case, this was just one poorly executed article in a sea of brilliance (which I have yet to read) and it will never happen again.</p>
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		<title>By: Snipergirl</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/06/28/the-act-itself-is-a-joke/comment-page-2/#comment-6540</link>
		<dc:creator>Snipergirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe, fanfemme. Unoriginal AND sexist all in one!

I LIKE IT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe, fanfemme. Unoriginal AND sexist all in one!</p>
<p>I LIKE IT!</p>
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		<title>By: orange</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/06/28/the-act-itself-is-a-joke/comment-page-2/#comment-6437</link>
		<dc:creator>orange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They scream because theyâ€™re startle, and then they have sex. If they ever fought or said no, heâ€™d be confused but heâ€™d leave.&quot;

Oh, that&#039;s okay; so if he grabs a woman and starts trying to have intercourse with her, and she fought back, he&#039;d stop ? WHAT A GENTLEMAN.

Seriously, this comic is unusual. The woman is found lying in the street afterwards, naked, and everyone&#039;s response is &quot;wow, she must have had an awesome time !&quot;

I get that it&#039;s a joke. But it&#039;s an odd joke. Does anyone here think it&#039;s romantic to be followed through an alley by a stranger ? It may not be rape. But it doesn&#039;t seem to be entirely consensual either. 

Please try to see where Kate is coming from- if this were a scene in any other movie or comic, if this were DC, we&#039;d be scratching our heads. I understand that the comic&#039;s creator is anti-violence and anti-rape, but the message has to carry in the medium.

My two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They scream because theyâ€™re startle, and then they have sex. If they ever fought or said no, heâ€™d be confused but heâ€™d leave.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, that&#8217;s okay; so if he grabs a woman and starts trying to have intercourse with her, and she fought back, he&#8217;d stop ? WHAT A GENTLEMAN.</p>
<p>Seriously, this comic is unusual. The woman is found lying in the street afterwards, naked, and everyone&#8217;s response is &#8220;wow, she must have had an awesome time !&#8221;</p>
<p>I get that it&#8217;s a joke. But it&#8217;s an odd joke. Does anyone here think it&#8217;s romantic to be followed through an alley by a stranger ? It may not be rape. But it doesn&#8217;t seem to be entirely consensual either. </p>
<p>Please try to see where Kate is coming from- if this were a scene in any other movie or comic, if this were DC, we&#8217;d be scratching our heads. I understand that the comic&#8217;s creator is anti-violence and anti-rape, but the message has to carry in the medium.</p>
<p>My two cents.</p>
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		<title>By: robert anke</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/06/28/the-act-itself-is-a-joke/comment-page-2/#comment-6233</link>
		<dc:creator>robert anke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah but there are no bogus interpretations.  Whether it&#039;s writing, painting, sculpting, or (insert medium here); you make your art public, you deal with how individuals read it.  Interpretation is subjective.  Subjectivity is derived from personal experience.  One person&#039;s bogus is another&#039;s truth.

Disagree?
... &#039;twill be the grout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah but there are no bogus interpretations.  Whether it&#8217;s writing, painting, sculpting, or (insert medium here); you make your art public, you deal with how individuals read it.  Interpretation is subjective.  Subjectivity is derived from personal experience.  One person&#8217;s bogus is another&#8217;s truth.</p>
<p>Disagree?<br />
&#8230; &#8217;twill be the grout.</p>
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		<title>By: Escapeman</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/06/28/the-act-itself-is-a-joke/comment-page-2/#comment-6157</link>
		<dc:creator>Escapeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... And what the F does that opening line, &quot;Six comics in sexual harassment becomes a joke&quot; mean, anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; And what the F does that opening line, &#8220;Six comics in sexual harassment becomes a joke&#8221; mean, anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Escapeman</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2006/06/28/the-act-itself-is-a-joke/comment-page-2/#comment-6156</link>
		<dc:creator>Escapeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I think Girly&#039;s unfair to eggplants.

Josh had better try to keep me from being a complete idiot and thinking that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I think Girly&#8217;s unfair to eggplants.</p>
<p>Josh had better try to keep me from being a complete idiot and thinking that!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Logan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 23:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Will, it&#039;s a totally BOGUS interpretation. Even if you are right, you&#039;re saying that people are reading themes into Josh&#039;s work that aren&#039;t there, simply because they&#039;ve seen those themes in OTHER work that they consider similar in style.

&quot;This comic doesn&#039;t have rape in it, but it kind of REMINDS me of comics that have rape in them, so I don&#039;t like it,&quot; is not a criticism that any author should be taking seriously. That kind of &quot;baggage&quot; belongs to the reader, not the artist or the comic style. 

And anyone who draws a comic that discusses sex can expect to see that baggage expose itself through reader interpretations, because man, EVERYONE has some kind of baggage about sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Will, it&#8217;s a totally BOGUS interpretation. Even if you are right, you&#8217;re saying that people are reading themes into Josh&#8217;s work that aren&#8217;t there, simply because they&#8217;ve seen those themes in OTHER work that they consider similar in style.</p>
<p>&#8220;This comic doesn&#8217;t have rape in it, but it kind of REMINDS me of comics that have rape in them, so I don&#8217;t like it,&#8221; is not a criticism that any author should be taking seriously. That kind of &#8220;baggage&#8221; belongs to the reader, not the artist or the comic style. </p>
<p>And anyone who draws a comic that discusses sex can expect to see that baggage expose itself through reader interpretations, because man, EVERYONE has some kind of baggage about sex.</p>
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