Comments on: The More I Wrap My Brain Around This, The More I Like It http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/ the webcomics blog about webcomics Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:00:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Fleen: Written by bitter, haggard wordbeasts » After The Newspapers, Or, Post Post http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-45731 Fleen: Written by bitter, haggard wordbeasts » After The Newspapers, Or, Post Post Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:48:11 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/#comment-45731 [...] Gary Lotta confusion about what Scott Kurtz really means in his open letter; on first readthrough, I wasn’t entirely clear on what he was proposing and why, so I called him to ask. And just to save time, we’ll posit that Kurtz is one of the polarizing figures in webcomics, has pissed off people by word and deed (although in person, I’ve always found him to be amiable, and he’s always offered me every courtesy), and there’s baggage associated with almost everything he says. So underneath the strata of history and emotional color that will inevitably cloud the issue, what was he trying to say? [...] [...] Gary Lotta confusion about what Scott Kurtz really means in his open letter; on first readthrough, I wasn’t entirely clear on what he was proposing and why, so I called him to ask. And just to save time, we’ll posit that Kurtz is one of the polarizing figures in webcomics, has pissed off people by word and deed (although in person, I’ve always found him to be amiable, and he’s always offered me every courtesy), and there’s baggage associated with almost everything he says. So underneath the strata of history and emotional color that will inevitably cloud the issue, what was he trying to say? [...]

]]> By: Journalista » Blog Archive » Jan. 11, 2007: Three cheers for Skrulls, monkeys and disembodied brains in love! http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-45563 Journalista » Blog Archive » Jan. 11, 2007: Three cheers for Skrulls, monkeys and disembodied brains in love! Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:41:54 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/#comment-45563 [...] PvP creator Scott Kurtz issues an open letter to Bill Amend and any stray features editors under the age of 50, in which he wonders in somewhat confused fashion if newspapers and online strips can’t help each other out somehow. (Link via Gary Tyrrell.) [...] [...] PvP creator Scott Kurtz issues an open letter to Bill Amend and any stray features editors under the age of 50, in which he wonders in somewhat confused fashion if newspapers and online strips can’t help each other out somehow. (Link via Gary Tyrrell.) [...]

]]> By: Napoleon Solo http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-45520 Napoleon Solo Thu, 11 Jan 2007 03:48:21 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/#comment-45520 All drama aside, I like the ideas put forth here. One of the things mentioned in Watterson's speech that Scott quoted was pre-printed comics inserts. I think this could work though perhaps only if it was funded by ads so it could be given to papers for free or a marginal cost. Kinda like Will Eisner's Spirit section. All drama aside, I like the ideas put forth here. One of the things mentioned in Watterson’s speech that Scott quoted was pre-printed comics inserts. I think this could work though perhaps only if it was funded by ads so it could be given to papers for free or a marginal cost. Kinda like Will Eisner’s Spirit section.

]]> By: Maritza Campos http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-45518 Maritza Campos Thu, 11 Jan 2007 03:27:41 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/#comment-45518 Jeph's right. Part of the problem is that we do NOT have a good relationship with syndicated folks. It doesn't matter who started this fight, there will never be a community if both sides keep standing in our "newspaper strips are boring"/"webcomics are amateurish" islands. We also have to take in account there's unmovable folks in both sides. I don't think you can convince Wiley, for example. If there's any chance for this happening, it would have to be at one of the big cons. San Diego, perhaps. Still, there would have to be a lot of mending and good will *before* that. I'd say Scott's idea is good, but he has to make someone else buy the idea so that other person is the "contact" with syndicated cartoonists. Someone more neutral. Bill Holbrook, perhaps. Maritza CRFH.net Jeph’s right.

Part of the problem is that we do NOT have a good relationship with syndicated folks. It doesn’t matter who started this fight, there will never be a community if both sides keep standing in our “newspaper strips are boring”/”webcomics are amateurish” islands.

We also have to take in account there’s unmovable folks in both sides. I don’t think you can convince Wiley, for example.

If there’s any chance for this happening, it would have to be at one of the big cons. San Diego, perhaps. Still, there would have to be a lot of mending and good will *before* that.

I’d say Scott’s idea is good, but he has to make someone else buy the idea so that other person is the “contact” with syndicated cartoonists. Someone more neutral. Bill Holbrook, perhaps.

Maritza
CRFH.net

]]> By: Mr Myth http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-45517 Mr Myth Thu, 11 Jan 2007 03:16:11 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/#comment-45517 One of the comments I saw that really struck me is basically... the idea may or may not be sound, but putting an open letter on the site isn't going to start anything. It may generate discussion about the <i>open letter itself</i>, but not really make any headway towards the actual concepts spoken about within. If the goal is to form a coalition to work on this, then you'll need to reach out and go to them. Whether it will succeed or not is hard to say, but it won't do either if one doesn't actually go out and put it together. One of the comments I saw that really struck me is basically… the idea may or may not be sound, but putting an open letter on the site isn’t going to start anything. It may generate discussion about the open letter itself, but not really make any headway towards the actual concepts spoken about within.

If the goal is to form a coalition to work on this, then you’ll need to reach out and go to them. Whether it will succeed or not is hard to say, but it won’t do either if one doesn’t actually go out and put it together.

]]> By: J. Jacques http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-45515 J. Jacques Thu, 11 Jan 2007 02:57:00 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/#comment-45515 One more thing: denigrating Schultz around newspaper cartoonists is like going to a Southern Baptist service and calling Jesus a sonofabitch. One more thing: denigrating Schultz around newspaper cartoonists is like going to a Southern Baptist service and calling Jesus a sonofabitch.

]]> By: J. Jacques http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-45514 J. Jacques Thu, 11 Jan 2007 02:55:26 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/#comment-45514 Scott, I gotta side with Sam on this one. You can't hope to reach out to these guys and call their work "mediocre" at the same time. It's rude, and rudeness is the LAST thing you can afford when dealing with folks who are already comfortably entrenched in an industry that you're trying to break into. Scott, I gotta side with Sam on this one. You can’t hope to reach out to these guys and call their work “mediocre” at the same time. It’s rude, and rudeness is the LAST thing you can afford when dealing with folks who are already comfortably entrenched in an industry that you’re trying to break into.

]]> By: ideahead http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-45505 ideahead Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:42:13 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/#comment-45505 Scott and a couple others just need to realize, without being too big headed, that they just don't NEED anyone from the print world of newspaper comics. Scott takes his daily webcomic, reprints it in an Image Comic book, wins awards... Why even include the old school in the situation? Just bury the bones of the dinosaurs I say. The ones who are interested will be coming soon enough, especially when the big newspaper markets dry up or there's magical digital paper.... oh, they'll come find you. What you have to ask is, you want to invite the old guard to be the new guard??? That's dumb. I mean, you couldn't even get the top WEBCOMICS to get together under one label and work together. Scott, if you want to be in papers, just submit your comics or develop a new one. Scott and a couple others just need to realize, without being too big headed, that they just don’t NEED anyone from the print world of newspaper comics. Scott takes his daily webcomic, reprints it in an Image Comic book, wins awards… Why even include the old school in the situation? Just bury the bones of the dinosaurs I say. The ones who are interested will be coming soon enough, especially when the big newspaper markets dry up or there’s magical digital paper…. oh, they’ll come find you. What you have to ask is, you want to invite the old guard to be the new guard??? That’s dumb. I mean, you couldn’t even get the top WEBCOMICS to get together under one label and work together.

Scott, if you want to be in papers, just submit your comics or develop a new one.

]]> By: salamandyr http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-45499 salamandyr Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:05:48 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/#comment-45499 It's good that a long thoughtful post like the one at PvP can be dismissed by serving up the drama and questioning motives. Maybe this idea can die on the vine and we can all wait for UFS to step in and tell us what to do. Let's not learn from the newspapers OR from successful web cartoonists and just organize another back-patting ceremony or celebrate the 250th strip of a comic no one reads. Keep up the good work everyone. It’s good that a long thoughtful post like the one at PvP can be dismissed by serving up the drama and questioning motives. Maybe this idea can die on the vine and we can all wait for UFS to step in and tell us what to do.

Let’s not learn from the newspapers OR from successful web cartoonists and just organize another back-patting ceremony or celebrate the 250th strip of a comic no one reads. Keep up the good work everyone.

]]> By: Sam Logan http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-45494 Sam Logan Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:29:49 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/10/the-more-i-wrap-my-brain-around-this-the-more-i-like-it/#comment-45494 Scott, no one is telling you it's stupid to "try." People are telling you it's stupid to crap all over these artist's work and then actually expect them to help you. The idea of web and print cartoonists coming together is a great one, but they're never going to rally around you because you have so much public ill-will towards so many of them. Telling print cartoonists that all their comics are terrible... yeah, <i>that's</i> going to encourage them to reach out to us and help get webcomics into newspapers. Thank you so much for your help, Scott! Scott, no one is telling you it’s stupid to “try.” People are telling you it’s stupid to crap all over these artist’s work and then actually expect them to help you.

The idea of web and print cartoonists coming together is a great one, but they’re never going to rally around you because you have so much public ill-will towards so many of them.

Telling print cartoonists that all their comics are terrible… yeah, that’s going to encourage them to reach out to us and help get webcomics into newspapers. Thank you so much for your help, Scott!

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