Comments on: After The Newspapers, Or, Post Post http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/ the webcomics blog about webcomics Sat, 11 Feb 2012 04:24:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Fleen: Your Favorite Faux-Muckrakers Since 2005 » Webcomics Storm Warning http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/comment-page-2/#comment-95410 Fleen: Your Favorite Faux-Muckrakers Since 2005 » Webcomics Storm Warning Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:48:08 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/#comment-95410 [...] And, lastly, News Free Comics. Hmmm. [...] [...] And, lastly, News Free Comics. Hmmm. [...]

]]> By: Paul Gadzikowski http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/comment-page-2/#comment-53185 Paul Gadzikowski Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:30:54 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/#comment-53185 I think I saw <i>Time</i> namechecked above. <a href="http://time-blog.com/curious_capitalist/2007/01/how_bobbleheads_will_save_the_1.html" rel="nofollow">Here</a> on their blog site is an entry, at the end of a string of entries which started with a discussion of <i>Achewood</i>. It reprints a comment acquired by the entry previous on the string, in which "a reader named Amy" notes much the same status quo as I described in the top comment here. But then she argues in the other direction than we are: that the fragmentization of the market is to be <i>embraced</i> (which kinda makes sense, since it's the status quo), and that "personalization is the future." I think I saw Time namechecked above. Here on their blog site is an entry, at the end of a string of entries which started with a discussion of Achewood. It reprints a comment acquired by the entry previous on the string, in which “a reader named Amy” notes much the same status quo as I described in the top comment here. But then she argues in the other direction than we are: that the fragmentization of the market is to be embraced (which kinda makes sense, since it’s the status quo), and that “personalization is the future.”

]]> By: RHJunior http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/comment-page-2/#comment-48668 RHJunior Tue, 16 Jan 2007 03:41:31 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/#comment-48668 The suggestion of "an all comic strip newspaper" has been brought up repeatedly over the years. Uh, people, it has been done before. It was called the invention of the comic book. Yes, long before they put that world famous caped hero on the cover, tossing a car into a wall, the syndicates decided to make a little extra money off their comic strips by putting collections of them together in magazine form, on the cheap, and selling them in the news stands. Strange how ideas come full circle. The suggestion of “an all comic strip newspaper” has been brought up repeatedly over the years.
Uh, people, it has been done before. It was called the invention of the comic book.

Yes, long before they put that world famous caped hero on the cover, tossing a car into a wall, the syndicates decided to make a little extra money off their comic strips by putting collections of them together in magazine form, on the cheap, and selling them in the news stands.

Strange how ideas come full circle.

]]> By: Ben http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/comment-page-2/#comment-48196 Ben Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:30:02 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/#comment-48196 Let's look at Zoinks as a sample webcomic anthology publication. In one flip through, you can usually find at least one comic about baby eating, roofies or molestation, which is going to put off your average reader who picks it up off the street. I'm not a big fan of censorship, but if webcomics are really going to get the mainstream audience, they've got to grow up and get rid of this "anything goes" attitude. Shock value is a crutch, and is pretty much guaranteed to keep a comic out of mainstream publication. Let’s look at Zoinks as a sample webcomic anthology publication. In one flip through, you can usually find at least one comic about baby eating, roofies or molestation, which is going to put off your average reader who picks it up off the street.
I’m not a big fan of censorship, but if webcomics are really going to get the mainstream audience, they’ve got to grow up and get rid of this “anything goes” attitude. Shock value is a crutch, and is pretty much guaranteed to keep a comic out of mainstream publication.

]]> By: copyrezo http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/comment-page-2/#comment-46234 copyrezo Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:18:51 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/#comment-46234 No need to say that. If you actually feel like something should be done want to do it, then get the best group you can together and if you come up with something move ahead with it and then make the announcements after that's all settled.If it works out then Journalista can say "hurray" except probably you shouldn't be too concerned with whether they are cheering you on in the first place? No need to say that. If you actually feel like something should be done want to do it, then get the best group you can together and if you come up with something move ahead with it and then make the announcements after that’s all settled.If it works out then Journalista can say “hurray” except probably you shouldn’t be too concerned with whether they are cheering you on in the first place?

]]> By: Mooncity http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/comment-page-2/#comment-46233 Mooncity Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:06:49 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/#comment-46233 I'm still wondering why this never happened back around 1990. It seems like such a good idea in any of the proposed incarnations we've been talking about here and elsewhere (syndicate-printed/artist-printed supplement for papers, a magazine, weekly "free" paper). When Watterson gave his speech, it was pre-Internet/pre-popular Internet, so his comments then didn't really take the 'net into account. In some way, it seems the Internet took the place of his proposal, minus many of the established professional cartoonists he was aiming it at. I'd love nothing more than a return to the experience of reading the large-format printed Sunday Funnies, because even in the Internet Age, that IS something decent worth saving. Granted, it's not for everyone. Some people today are so "plugged-in" they wouldn't or couldn't appreciate such an endeavor, and that's fine. But print isn't dead, and print as a medium will be around long after the newspapers have folded or moved online. So why the heck don't we try it? I’m still wondering why this never happened back around 1990. It seems like such a good idea in any of the proposed incarnations we’ve been talking about here and elsewhere (syndicate-printed/artist-printed supplement for papers, a magazine, weekly “free” paper). When Watterson gave his speech, it was pre-Internet/pre-popular Internet, so his comments then didn’t really take the ‘net into account. In some way, it seems the Internet took the place of his proposal, minus many of the established professional cartoonists he was aiming it at. I’d love nothing more than a return to the experience of reading the large-format printed Sunday Funnies, because even in the Internet Age, that IS something decent worth saving. Granted, it’s not for everyone. Some people today are so “plugged-in” they wouldn’t or couldn’t appreciate such an endeavor, and that’s fine. But print isn’t dead, and print as a medium will be around long after the newspapers have folded or moved online. So why the heck don’t we try it?

]]> By: scott kurtz http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/comment-page-2/#comment-46228 scott kurtz Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:17:47 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/#comment-46228 Well, I've been trying to respond, but my comments have been "mysteriously" marked as spam for the last couple of days. It doesn't matter anyway. No matter what I say, DJ and Xerxes and Journalista will twist my words into some Machiavellian intent. The bottom line is that I got my own thing going. I don't NEED to figure this out. I just really wanted to because I think we're losing something important. I don't think kids these days are getting excited about any form of a "funny pages" and somebody should fix that. So whoever is leading this, the key is in Watterson's speech. Good luck. Well, I’ve been trying to respond, but my comments have been “mysteriously” marked as spam for the last couple of days.

It doesn’t matter anyway. No matter what I say, DJ and Xerxes and Journalista will twist my words into some Machiavellian intent.

The bottom line is that I got my own thing going. I don’t NEED to figure this out. I just really wanted to because I think we’re losing something important.

I don’t think kids these days are getting excited about any form of a “funny pages” and somebody should fix that.

So whoever is leading this, the key is in Watterson’s speech.

Good luck.

]]> By: Journalista » Blog Archive » Jan. 15, 2007: Viz-ualize the future of comics http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/comment-page-1/#comment-46196 Journalista » Blog Archive » Jan. 15, 2007: Viz-ualize the future of comics Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:53:04 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/#comment-46196 [...] Gary Tyrrell explains what PvP cartoonist Scott Kurtz meant by that confused open letter he wrote last week. Shorter Scott Kurtz: “Let’s all get together and decide what the next big thing in comics is going to be, so I can we can exploit it.” No word on whether or not he’d like a pony to go along with it. Xaviar Xerxes, meanwhile, thinks Kurtz might get a bit farther in such endeavors if it weren’t so obviously all about Scott Kurtz. (Okay, I’m paraphrasing a bit, there, bit I certainly think Kurtz would get a bit farther in such endeavors if it weren’t so obviously all about Scott Kurtz.) [...] [...] Gary Tyrrell explains what PvP cartoonist Scott Kurtz meant by that confused open letter he wrote last week. Shorter Scott Kurtz: “Let’s all get together and decide what the next big thing in comics is going to be, so I can we can exploit it.” No word on whether or not he’d like a pony to go along with it. Xaviar Xerxes, meanwhile, thinks Kurtz might get a bit farther in such endeavors if it weren’t so obviously all about Scott Kurtz. (Okay, I’m paraphrasing a bit, there, bit I certainly think Kurtz would get a bit farther in such endeavors if it weren’t so obviously all about Scott Kurtz.) [...]

]]> By: DJ Coffman http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/comment-page-1/#comment-46123 DJ Coffman Mon, 15 Jan 2007 03:19:13 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/#comment-46123 I'm confused now. PvP doesn't need to change, and it won't change-- that's not what Scott is proposing, and I don't think he's proposing getting PvP into papers in the current system if that's what you suggest. I think Scott was talking more about opening up the doors a little and building bridges between the two comic strip worlds. He was specifically noting Bill Waterson's speech, which the jist of that speech was, maybe one day the cartoonists wouldn't need syndicates, or would do their own thing, and that day is here already. I’m confused now. PvP doesn’t need to change, and it won’t change– that’s not what Scott is proposing, and I don’t think he’s proposing getting PvP into papers in the current system if that’s what you suggest.

I think Scott was talking more about opening up the doors a little and building bridges between the two comic strip worlds. He was specifically noting Bill Waterson’s speech, which the jist of that speech was, maybe one day the cartoonists wouldn’t need syndicates, or would do their own thing, and that day is here already.

]]> By: Dan http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/comment-page-1/#comment-46112 Dan Mon, 15 Jan 2007 01:35:50 +0000 http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/01/12/after-the-newspapers-or-post-post/#comment-46112 DJ. Scott Kurtz isn't the man to lead a revolution like this. It's one of the most constructive points you made but may not have been seen as such. I appreciate his artistic integrity, to avoid changing his style to fit a medium, but if you want to get into print things sometimes have to change. Change is always inevitable. Noble intentions or not, you have to be willing to go with the flow, and the flow would end up being a change in PvP on the fundamental level at some point. Some of his strips are out there and he'd need to reign them in a little bit. There is a way to make this happen, it'd just take a lot of hard work and probably you 2 working together. actualperson316@hotmail.com is my e-mail if anybody wants to discuss my ideas for an upheaval. DJ. Scott Kurtz isn’t the man to lead a revolution like this. It’s one of the most constructive points you made but may not have been seen as such.

I appreciate his artistic integrity, to avoid changing his style to fit a medium, but if you want to get into print things sometimes have to change. Change is always inevitable.

Noble intentions or not, you have to be willing to go with the flow, and the flow would end up being a change in PvP on the fundamental level at some point. Some of his strips are out there and he’d need to reign them in a little bit.

There is a way to make this happen, it’d just take a lot of hard work and probably you 2 working together.

actualperson316@hotmail.com is my e-mail if anybody wants to discuss my ideas for an upheaval.

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