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		<title>By: The Gigcast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gigcast 85, Plagiarism, Wars and stuff</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/04/12/in-case-you-hadnt-seen-it/#comment-143130</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gigcast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gigcast 85, Plagiarism, Wars and stuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 02:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about the Todd Goldman is a rotten art thief [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this really is TG (being the Internet, it's just as likely to be
a dog - but enough redundancy):

Todd, you fit my description of "mundane evil", as someone
without a trace of empathy for the feelings of human beings.
You have no understanding that your actions have been
wrong, that your "art" is "theft", and it means nothing to you
that you've caused others real pain.

I really hope that that you ultimately wind up damaged
(professionally) from this whole episode, especially after
your revolting first response to Shmorky, and for the
Myspace vandalism.  The FBI should question you for
the emailing of inappropriate pictures (regardless of source)
that potentially reached minors, and I'd be delighted to
see some charges arise from that.

Last, my grandfather was an graphics and fine artist.
There's more creativity in the stained floor tiles of his
studio than you'll ever be capable of in your work.

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this really is TG (being the Internet, it&#8217;s just as likely to be<br />
a dog - but enough redundancy):</p>
<p>Todd, you fit my description of &#8220;mundane evil&#8221;, as someone<br />
without a trace of empathy for the feelings of human beings.<br />
You have no understanding that your actions have been<br />
wrong, that your &#8220;art&#8221; is &#8220;theft&#8221;, and it means nothing to you<br />
that you&#8217;ve caused others real pain.</p>
<p>I really hope that that you ultimately wind up damaged<br />
(professionally) from this whole episode, especially after<br />
your revolting first response to Shmorky, and for the<br />
Myspace vandalism.  The FBI should question you for<br />
the emailing of inappropriate pictures (regardless of source)<br />
that potentially reached minors, and I&#8217;d be delighted to<br />
see some charges arise from that.</p>
<p>Last, my grandfather was an graphics and fine artist.<br />
There&#8217;s more creativity in the stained floor tiles of his<br />
studio than you&#8217;ll ever be capable of in your work.</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Goliath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Goliath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy you guys are really harsh.  Glad you've pointed me in the right direction (and where do you keep your stuff on the internet?)!  

Glad that's over, now I can get back to eating endangered species and doing coke off of dead babies with my $10,000 she-male whores!

Oh, and thanks for the cancer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy you guys are really harsh.  Glad you&#8217;ve pointed me in the right direction (and where do you keep your stuff on the internet?)!  </p>
<p>Glad that&#8217;s over, now I can get back to eating endangered species and doing coke off of dead babies with my $10,000 she-male whores!</p>
<p>Oh, and thanks for the cancer!</p>
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		<title>By: davidwynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidwynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at the risk of sounding dickish after the last wto very intelligent posts, I have to say this:

 "I have never seen his work before"

EXCEPT FOR WHEN YOU WERE COPYING IT ONTO A CANVAS, DICKHEAD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at the risk of sounding dickish after the last wto very intelligent posts, I have to say this:</p>
<p> &#8220;I have never seen his work before&#8221;</p>
<p>EXCEPT FOR WHEN YOU WERE COPYING IT ONTO A CANVAS, DICKHEAD</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Hewitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Hewitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jerry. I think this is just about the best resolution that could have been realistically hoped for... not very satisfying, but at least Kelly's being compensated for the use of his work.

Has anyone thought about contacting the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund about this? A class action lawsuit on behaf of all the other artists who have had their art copied would be nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jerry. I think this is just about the best resolution that could have been realistically hoped for&#8230; not very satisfying, but at least Kelly&#8217;s being compensated for the use of his work.</p>
<p>Has anyone thought about contacting the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund about this? A class action lawsuit on behaf of all the other artists who have had their art copied would be nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry, Who is Also Tycho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry, Who is Also Tycho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My main point was that we shouldn't expect "samurai justice" - anything approaching a satisfying and cathartic resolution.  The false and empty letter printed here falls far short of the traditional "head on a pike" victory that would truly close the issue.  
    
He needed to send out a letter to control a public relations situation, in direct response to the atmopshere created online.  I'm glad, but there has been almost no cost to him or his company.  He's clearly a mercenary fuckwad, and his previously published response was monstrous, but I don't think either of those ideas will ever really penetrate mainstream thought.    

Everything else I said was me being a curmudgeon.  I know perfectly well that "people talking on the Internet" can have profound results - Child's Play travels along the same conduits.  I simply have very low expectations whenever art and law intersect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main point was that we shouldn&#8217;t expect &#8220;samurai justice&#8221; - anything approaching a satisfying and cathartic resolution.  The false and empty letter printed here falls far short of the traditional &#8220;head on a pike&#8221; victory that would truly close the issue.  </p>
<p>He needed to send out a letter to control a public relations situation, in direct response to the atmopshere created online.  I&#8217;m glad, but there has been almost no cost to him or his company.  He&#8217;s clearly a mercenary fuckwad, and his previously published response was monstrous, but I don&#8217;t think either of those ideas will ever really penetrate mainstream thought.    </p>
<p>Everything else I said was me being a curmudgeon.  I know perfectly well that &#8220;people talking on the Internet&#8221; can have profound results - Child&#8217;s Play travels along the same conduits.  I simply have very low expectations whenever art and law intersect.</p>
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		<title>By: Caulfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caulfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well as a fan of Kelly I congratulate him on this modest victory. I hope he ends up getting cash enough to fund an animated version of Living in Greytown. That has to be one of the first webcomics that I truly fell in love with. His sickening and adorable characters beg you through their unconventional but melodramatic themes to open your heart, by expanding your mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well as a fan of Kelly I congratulate him on this modest victory. I hope he ends up getting cash enough to fund an animated version of Living in Greytown. That has to be one of the first webcomics that I truly fell in love with. His sickening and adorable characters beg you through their unconventional but melodramatic themes to open your heart, by expanding your mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Southworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Southworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love reading Jerry's winding prose, even if I have to go back and re-read it more than once to make sure I gather all the ire. 

It's like someone injected a half-gallon of horse steroids into the language center of his brain and put an XBOX controller in his hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love reading Jerry&#8217;s winding prose, even if I have to go back and re-read it more than once to make sure I gather all the ire. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like someone injected a half-gallon of horse steroids into the language center of his brain and put an XBOX controller in his hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher B. Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher B. Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.

Jerry's a nice guy, even when he's verbally thrashing you within an inch of your life. At least, he was when I met him -- he may have grown bitter and disaffected in the intervening years...

Well, *more* bitter and disaffected.

...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.</p>
<p>Jerry&#8217;s a nice guy, even when he&#8217;s verbally thrashing you within an inch of your life. At least, he was when I met him &#8212; he may have grown bitter and disaffected in the intervening years&#8230;</p>
<p>Well, *more* bitter and disaffected.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Southworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Southworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry Holkins doesn't make "mistakes", Christopher. 

He makes "inadvertent misapplications of ill-begotten knowledge and/or personal conceptions of reality".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry Holkins doesn&#8217;t make &#8220;mistakes&#8221;, Christopher. </p>
<p>He makes &#8220;inadvertent misapplications of ill-begotten knowledge and/or personal conceptions of reality&#8221;.</p>
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