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		<title>By: Fleen: Your Favorite Faux-Muckrakers Since 2005 &#187; Post #671</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/04/20/submitted-without-comment-2/#comment-174576</link>
		<dc:creator>Fleen: Your Favorite Faux-Muckrakers Since 2005 &#187; Post #671</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] taken me to task when we&#8217;ve disagreed, you&#8217;ve rallied about when I was warned to Govern Myself Accordingly. If nothing else, I hope you&#8217;ve found it true that the comments are open to all and sundry, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] taken me to task when we&#8217;ve disagreed, you&#8217;ve rallied about when I was warned to Govern Myself Accordingly. If nothing else, I hope you&#8217;ve found it true that the comments are open to all and sundry, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Topher</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/04/20/submitted-without-comment-2/#comment-143502</link>
		<dc:creator>Topher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the whole freedom of speech in America is a common misconception. It's more like, say anything you  want, as long as it doesn't offend anyone. If it does, then we'll do the American thing and sue your sorry ass. Right here buddy... m&#124;n[._.]n&#124;m</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the whole freedom of speech in America is a common misconception. It&#8217;s more like, say anything you  want, as long as it doesn&#8217;t offend anyone. If it does, then we&#8217;ll do the American thing and sue your sorry ass. Right here buddy&#8230; m|n[._.]n|m</p>
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		<title>By: Fleen: Your Favorite Faux-Muckrakers Since 2005 &#187; Still Governing Ourselves Accordingly</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/04/20/submitted-without-comment-2/#comment-86184</link>
		<dc:creator>Fleen: Your Favorite Faux-Muckrakers Since 2005 &#187; Still Governing Ourselves Accordingly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 15:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And finally, as it&#8217;s now been officially a month since we were threatened with a lawsuit (or, more precisely, a month since we asked exactly what was actionable in our coverage of the Dave Kelly/Todd Goldman story &#8230; that chirping of crickets you hear is all the reply we&#8217;ve gotten), we at Fleen are now forced to conclude that Goldman&#8217;s lawyer believes there never was anything defamatory in our writing. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And finally, as it&#8217;s now been officially a month since we were threatened with a lawsuit (or, more precisely, a month since we asked exactly what was actionable in our coverage of the Dave Kelly/Todd Goldman story &#8230; that chirping of crickets you hear is all the reply we&#8217;ve gotten), we at Fleen are now forced to conclude that Goldman&#8217;s lawyer believes there never was anything defamatory in our writing. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/04/20/submitted-without-comment-2/#comment-85348</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 04:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your site is perfect!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your site is perfect!</p>
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		<title>By: carlos</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/04/20/submitted-without-comment-2/#comment-82162</link>
		<dc:creator>carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 13:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Borys Pomianek your wrong on many counts
1 captialism moves the world so consumers who you mocked due have a lot of power.  How?  Writing to people that cary his products to complain ie hot topic.  If enough people complain it can motivate the company to drop todd's work (if felt slimy saying todd's work).  
2your remarks about fandom show just how litlle you understand it.  I found out about this issue from a online comic and got more info from the web family.  One thing about fandom we like to complain which also means word of mouth.  Now word of mouth advertising is very important as any retail store and customer service provider could tell you.  Mabey because you are from another country you dont understand the concepts but once this hits todd's wallet he will
3 if you really thing fandom is so weak (and the webcomic comunity is part of that this issue was brought up at a manga convetion) then you are ....lets say gravely mistaken.  lets look at what fandom has out
spiderman 3
harry potter 5
ff 3
transfromers
we are a powerfull consumer force that society is paying attention too.  now i do agree that just posting is not enough but it is a start.  continual posting helps fan the fire, and other can be inspired to do more.  

so i encourage every one here to write to hot topic and let them know you will not shop there as long as they carry "his" products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Borys Pomianek your wrong on many counts<br />
1 captialism moves the world so consumers who you mocked due have a lot of power.  How?  Writing to people that cary his products to complain ie hot topic.  If enough people complain it can motivate the company to drop todd&#8217;s work (if felt slimy saying todd&#8217;s work).<br />
2your remarks about fandom show just how litlle you understand it.  I found out about this issue from a online comic and got more info from the web family.  One thing about fandom we like to complain which also means word of mouth.  Now word of mouth advertising is very important as any retail store and customer service provider could tell you.  Mabey because you are from another country you dont understand the concepts but once this hits todd&#8217;s wallet he will<br />
3 if you really thing fandom is so weak (and the webcomic comunity is part of that this issue was brought up at a manga convetion) then you are &#8230;.lets say gravely mistaken.  lets look at what fandom has out<br />
spiderman 3<br />
harry potter 5<br />
ff 3<br />
transfromers<br />
we are a powerfull consumer force that society is paying attention too.  now i do agree that just posting is not enough but it is a start.  continual posting helps fan the fire, and other can be inspired to do more.  </p>
<p>so i encourage every one here to write to hot topic and let them know you will not shop there as long as they carry &#8220;his&#8221; products.</p>
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		<title>By: I don't like stealing</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/04/20/submitted-without-comment-2/#comment-81331</link>
		<dc:creator>I don't like stealing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 18:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yo Borys,

when you say stuff like:

"You dont stand up for your ideals. Your just an idiot who posts. did you even ever create any art work? Since when protecting copyrighted work has become your ideal? Like, yesterday maby?"

It proves that you don't get it.  This person is not an idiot.  S/he is a person of IDEALS.  Something you can't seem to identify.

This is not just about copyright.  This is about *STEALING*

Most people think STEALING is WRONG. That is an "IDEAL".  Most regular people have have this "IDEAL".  This person you criticize is standing up for this "IDEAL".  S/he is not an idiot.  It is you who is acting irrational.  Since when was "STEALING" ever okay?

Todd Goldman clearly was STEALING designs and ideas.  Exposing such wrong-doing is what responsible people do.  Why?  Because STEALING is wrong.

The comments you made about the internet and the people who use it are so ridiculous I have to wonder just how old you are.  I guess you are one of those "13 year olds mostly" and that explains why you are here?

You are like one of those "denialist"s.  Your comments about the internet are so contradictory to what is happening in the real world that I feel sorry for you.  The world is changing.  I hope it changes so that there is less stealing in our world.

And btw, what language is it that you are most comfortable in?  Go ahead and post in a language that you prefer.  I'm sure there is a willing person somewhere on the internet generous enough to help translate your arguments for the rest of us (so we can all laugh together!).  Wow, translation in hours or minutes? For free?  Just a tiny example of how powerful the Internet is.  I heard about this from reading a blog unrelated to comics.  How did you find out?

Many people have already started doing something about this so don't you worry.  XD

Join the laughter at Todd Goldman  as we await an update!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yo Borys,</p>
<p>when you say stuff like:</p>
<p>&#8220;You dont stand up for your ideals. Your just an idiot who posts. did you even ever create any art work? Since when protecting copyrighted work has become your ideal? Like, yesterday maby?&#8221;</p>
<p>It proves that you don&#8217;t get it.  This person is not an idiot.  S/he is a person of IDEALS.  Something you can&#8217;t seem to identify.</p>
<p>This is not just about copyright.  This is about *STEALING*</p>
<p>Most people think STEALING is WRONG. That is an &#8220;IDEAL&#8221;.  Most regular people have have this &#8220;IDEAL&#8221;.  This person you criticize is standing up for this &#8220;IDEAL&#8221;.  S/he is not an idiot.  It is you who is acting irrational.  Since when was &#8220;STEALING&#8221; ever okay?</p>
<p>Todd Goldman clearly was STEALING designs and ideas.  Exposing such wrong-doing is what responsible people do.  Why?  Because STEALING is wrong.</p>
<p>The comments you made about the internet and the people who use it are so ridiculous I have to wonder just how old you are.  I guess you are one of those &#8220;13 year olds mostly&#8221; and that explains why you are here?</p>
<p>You are like one of those &#8220;denialist&#8221;s.  Your comments about the internet are so contradictory to what is happening in the real world that I feel sorry for you.  The world is changing.  I hope it changes so that there is less stealing in our world.</p>
<p>And btw, what language is it that you are most comfortable in?  Go ahead and post in a language that you prefer.  I&#8217;m sure there is a willing person somewhere on the internet generous enough to help translate your arguments for the rest of us (so we can all laugh together!).  Wow, translation in hours or minutes? For free?  Just a tiny example of how powerful the Internet is.  I heard about this from reading a blog unrelated to comics.  How did you find out?</p>
<p>Many people have already started doing something about this so don&#8217;t you worry.  XD</p>
<p>Join the laughter at Todd Goldman  as we await an update!</p>
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		<title>By: Fleen: Your Favorite Faux-Muckrakers Since 2005 &#187; This, By The Way, Is Post #1000</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/04/20/submitted-without-comment-2/#comment-79307</link>
		<dc:creator>Fleen: Your Favorite Faux-Muckrakers Since 2005 &#187; This, By The Way, Is Post #1000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We are still waiting on the promised update from Dave Kelly on the Todd Goldman happenings, but one would be remiss not to note that it&#8217;s been eleven (11) days since we received our C&#38;D, ten (10) days since our lawyer asked for details as to what content was annoying to Mr Goldman, with zero (0) specifics yet received. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We are still waiting on the promised update from Dave Kelly on the Todd Goldman happenings, but one would be remiss not to note that it&#8217;s been eleven (11) days since we received our C&#38;D, ten (10) days since our lawyer asked for details as to what content was annoying to Mr Goldman, with zero (0) specifics yet received. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fox</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/04/20/submitted-without-comment-2/#comment-78973</link>
		<dc:creator>Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 05:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm reminded of a back-and-forth between Charles Barkley and Tonya Harding in the mid-1990s.  Harding called herself "The Charles Barkley of figure skating", and Sir Charles came back with "At first I wanted to sue her for defamation of character.  Then I remembered I don't have any character."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reminded of a back-and-forth between Charles Barkley and Tonya Harding in the mid-1990s.  Harding called herself &#8220;The Charles Barkley of figure skating&#8221;, and Sir Charles came back with &#8220;At first I wanted to sue her for defamation of character.  Then I remembered I don&#8217;t have any character.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; The Todd Goldman Scandal</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/04/20/submitted-without-comment-2/#comment-78907</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; The Todd Goldman Scandal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Now it appears Goldman has decided to stop the nasty name-calling and sic his lawyers on anyone who dares talk about him or his high-quality, certainly-not-stolen designs. Already a number of Web sites have reportedly received â€ścease and desistâ€? letters (you can read Fleenâ€™s here) and a few sites have taken down their articles about the affair, including Wired, Juxtapoz and The Beat. Without casting any aspersions on Heidi or Publisherâ€™s Weekly, I find it very disturbing when someone accused of stealing feels they can bully their way out of trouble. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Now it appears Goldman has decided to stop the nasty name-calling and sic his lawyers on anyone who dares talk about him or his high-quality, certainly-not-stolen designs. Already a number of Web sites have reportedly received â€ścease and desistâ€? letters (you can read Fleenâ€™s here) and a few sites have taken down their articles about the affair, including Wired, Juxtapoz and The Beat. Without casting any aspersions on Heidi or Publisherâ€™s Weekly, I find it very disturbing when someone accused of stealing feels they can bully their way out of trouble. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Borys Pomianek</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/04/20/submitted-without-comment-2/#comment-78863</link>
		<dc:creator>Borys Pomianek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure your point Patrick is good but in practice people will still buy Goldmans shirts becouse they simply want a shirt.
Iam just talking out of experience.
People want a product. Ofcourse 1000 may not buy his shirt but the other 10000 will . And yes that will maby "punish" him but then again it wont add to the harmed peoples pockets. Pockets that have to be full to fight a lawsuit.

Spreading the word is ok but what i criticize is people who post ideas like "spread the word" and post in comments reapeating after everybody that someone is a douchebah.

Saying that something is wrong when you think so is ok with me, it helps to fight stuff but usually when there is also somekind of force that fights it.

I may sound histile becouse i want to maby move some people who just pose stuff without thinking to actually think what they want. Do they want to help or just brag about?

Becouse of my experience with "the audience" i actually lack some respect for the repeating themselves fighting from theyr chairs kind of audience.
I know it may sound harsh but i know a lot of people who just say that something is cool and most of them dont buy it.

Sure that is supporting but what we lack is not people who say that something is good and they support it, we lack people who actually support. Like monetary, with theyr time, knowledge, whatever.

Its harsh but that is how i see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure your point Patrick is good but in practice people will still buy Goldmans shirts becouse they simply want a shirt.<br />
Iam just talking out of experience.<br />
People want a product. Ofcourse 1000 may not buy his shirt but the other 10000 will . And yes that will maby &#8220;punish&#8221; him but then again it wont add to the harmed peoples pockets. Pockets that have to be full to fight a lawsuit.</p>
<p>Spreading the word is ok but what i criticize is people who post ideas like &#8220;spread the word&#8221; and post in comments reapeating after everybody that someone is a douchebah.</p>
<p>Saying that something is wrong when you think so is ok with me, it helps to fight stuff but usually when there is also somekind of force that fights it.</p>
<p>I may sound histile becouse i want to maby move some people who just pose stuff without thinking to actually think what they want. Do they want to help or just brag about?</p>
<p>Becouse of my experience with &#8220;the audience&#8221; i actually lack some respect for the repeating themselves fighting from theyr chairs kind of audience.<br />
I know it may sound harsh but i know a lot of people who just say that something is cool and most of them dont buy it.</p>
<p>Sure that is supporting but what we lack is not people who say that something is good and they support it, we lack people who actually support. Like monetary, with theyr time, knowledge, whatever.</p>
<p>Its harsh but that is how i see it.</p>
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