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	<title>Comments on: Online + Comic = Webcomic? (Survey Says&#8230;).</title>
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		<title>By: Geek Studies &#187; Blog Archive &#187; October Link Madness Continues: Comics, TV, Academia, and More</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/#comment-141079</link>
		<dc:creator>Geek Studies &#187; Blog Archive &#187; October Link Madness Continues: Comics, TV, Academia, and More</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Webcomics: Anne Thalheimer, a webcomics blogger, muses over what a &#8220;webcomic&#8221; really is, given that plenty of comics artists whose stuff exists online don&#8217;t consider themselves [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Webcomics: Anne Thalheimer, a webcomics blogger, muses over what a &#8220;webcomic&#8221; really is, given that plenty of comics artists whose stuff exists online don&#8217;t consider themselves [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Gigcast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Webcomic Wire - 10/19/07</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/#comment-139621</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gigcast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Webcomic Wire - 10/19/07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Interesting re-visit of the webcomic/ non webcomic debate over at FLEEN. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike L</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/#comment-139572</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Chris Wright as well, and would only add that it's the oiriginal manner of delivery that matters. Collections of PVP still refer to it as a webcomic on the book, even though it's a collection. We don't call Peanuts collections graphic novels. One doesn't have to do some stylish jiggery-pokery to make one's comic specifically a 'web' comic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Chris Wright as well, and would only add that it&#8217;s the oiriginal manner of delivery that matters. Collections of PVP still refer to it as a webcomic on the book, even though it&#8217;s a collection. We don&#8217;t call Peanuts collections graphic novels. One doesn&#8217;t have to do some stylish jiggery-pokery to make one&#8217;s comic specifically a &#8216;web&#8217; comic.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Kellett</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/#comment-139440</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Kellett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 04:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher sums it up pretty succinctly, I think.</description>
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		<title>By: Christopher B. Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/#comment-139423</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher B. Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 02:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. Online + comic = webcomic. Why? Because "webcomic" is not a description of genre, it is description of the method of publication. Attempting to also turn it into a genre does a great disservice to the medium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Online + comic = webcomic. Why? Because &#8220;webcomic&#8221; is not a description of genre, it is description of the method of publication. Attempting to also turn it into a genre does a great disservice to the medium.</p>
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		<title>By: Anime and other things &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Online + Comic = Webcomic? (Survey Says…).</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/#comment-139347</link>
		<dc:creator>Anime and other things &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Online + Comic = Webcomic? (Survey Says…).</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: james smith</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/#comment-139277</link>
		<dc:creator>james smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does it matter that when I say "movie," you instinctively know I'm not talking about something created to air on network television? I'm not sure it does. I think the problem comes more from the fact that in the last 100-odd years, we never really got around to defining what *comics* is/are. And now we're faced with a new delivery system, and we find there's linguistic work to be done.

I question whether it matters because the general public will decide what to call a thing-- generally based on convenience. Eddie Campbell notwithstanding, I think it's okay if we get it technically wrong, as long as we understand each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it matter that when I say &#8220;movie,&#8221; you instinctively know I&#8217;m not talking about something created to air on network television? I&#8217;m not sure it does. I think the problem comes more from the fact that in the last 100-odd years, we never really got around to defining what *comics* is/are. And now we&#8217;re faced with a new delivery system, and we find there&#8217;s linguistic work to be done.</p>
<p>I question whether it matters because the general public will decide what to call a thing&#8211; generally based on convenience. Eddie Campbell notwithstanding, I think it&#8217;s okay if we get it technically wrong, as long as we understand each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Tayler</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/#comment-139244</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Tayler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does it matter what we call them? Well... only insomuch as the speaker feels that fostering an understanding of the subject matters.

I'll go out on a limb and say that "all webcomics are comics, but not all comics are webcomics."

I'll further posit that (and it gets sticky here) since most of the webcartoonists I identify with are independent creators who own the properties they write and/or illustrate, there is precedent (or tendency) to say that "all webcomics are independent comics."

The problem with this is that the word "webcomics" is made up of two words whose meanings are, at least in modern tech-speak, fairly fixed. Concatenating those words gives us a word which, to the uninitiated, should mean "any comic that appears on the web is a webcomic." 

But there are independent cartoonists (and journalists who write about them) who are looking for a word that says "creator-owned comic properties principally delivered via HTTP," and these folks just don't have time for more than maybe three or four syllables. To them, "webcomic" would include Penny Arcade, XKCD, and Turn Signals on a Land Raider, but would NOT include Dilbert.

How clearly understood are we when we say "indie" comics? Would saying "Indie Webcomics" and "Syndie Webcomics" allow us to establish firm meaning, and proceed with meaningful dialog rather than an argument over semantics?

With "Ordinary Things" I find elements common in things I call webcomics -- it's online, freely offered, owned by its creator, presented as a comic, and (for bonus points) it's a journal.

It is possible that the creator of "Ordinary Things" (which I have not followed beyond looking at enough pictures to say "yeah, webcomic") is blissfully unaware of "webcomics," and feels compelled to hang a different shingle out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it matter what we call them? Well&#8230; only insomuch as the speaker feels that fostering an understanding of the subject matters.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll go out on a limb and say that &#8220;all webcomics are comics, but not all comics are webcomics.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll further posit that (and it gets sticky here) since most of the webcartoonists I identify with are independent creators who own the properties they write and/or illustrate, there is precedent (or tendency) to say that &#8220;all webcomics are independent comics.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem with this is that the word &#8220;webcomics&#8221; is made up of two words whose meanings are, at least in modern tech-speak, fairly fixed. Concatenating those words gives us a word which, to the uninitiated, should mean &#8220;any comic that appears on the web is a webcomic.&#8221; </p>
<p>But there are independent cartoonists (and journalists who write about them) who are looking for a word that says &#8220;creator-owned comic properties principally delivered via HTTP,&#8221; and these folks just don&#8217;t have time for more than maybe three or four syllables. To them, &#8220;webcomic&#8221; would include Penny Arcade, XKCD, and Turn Signals on a Land Raider, but would NOT include Dilbert.</p>
<p>How clearly understood are we when we say &#8220;indie&#8221; comics? Would saying &#8220;Indie Webcomics&#8221; and &#8220;Syndie Webcomics&#8221; allow us to establish firm meaning, and proceed with meaningful dialog rather than an argument over semantics?</p>
<p>With &#8220;Ordinary Things&#8221; I find elements common in things I call webcomics &#8212; it&#8217;s online, freely offered, owned by its creator, presented as a comic, and (for bonus points) it&#8217;s a journal.</p>
<p>It is possible that the creator of &#8220;Ordinary Things&#8221; (which I have not followed beyond looking at enough pictures to say &#8220;yeah, webcomic&#8221;) is blissfully unaware of &#8220;webcomics,&#8221; and feels compelled to hang a different shingle out.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron D</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/#comment-139243</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a difference, though in the long run figuring out which is which isn't all that important.  For example my work is almost the webbiest you can possibly make a comic.  Everything about it is designed with the internet in mind, so much in fact  that translating it to print form becomes a real pain.  The line isn't always clear, though, as with the case of my pal Nick Gurewitch.  We webcomickers have long since claimed the PBF as one of our own, but really it's just a newspaper comic that's on the internet.

The definition of webcomic or regular comic is only really relevant in determining what the primary focus of the creator is.  Other than that, it really isn't that important, especially since the line is so blurred to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a difference, though in the long run figuring out which is which isn&#8217;t all that important.  For example my work is almost the webbiest you can possibly make a comic.  Everything about it is designed with the internet in mind, so much in fact  that translating it to print form becomes a real pain.  The line isn&#8217;t always clear, though, as with the case of my pal Nick Gurewitch.  We webcomickers have long since claimed the PBF as one of our own, but really it&#8217;s just a newspaper comic that&#8217;s on the internet.</p>
<p>The definition of webcomic or regular comic is only really relevant in determining what the primary focus of the creator is.  Other than that, it really isn&#8217;t that important, especially since the line is so blurred to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Oct. 18, 2007: Porn zombies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Oct. 18, 2007: Porn zombies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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