<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Online + Comic = Webcomic? (Survey Says&#8230;).</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/</link>
	<description>the webcomics blog about webcomics</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:53:23 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Fleen: Try Our Thick, Creamy Shakes &#187; The Countdown To Costumes Has Begun</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/comment-page-1/#comment-260994</link>
		<dc:creator>Fleen: Try Our Thick, Creamy Shakes &#187; The Countdown To Costumes Has Begun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/#comment-260994</guid>
		<description>[...] up by my erudite (if erstwhile) collaborator two years ago, and just getting more interesting in the meantime: Ordinary Things takes the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up by my erudite (if erstwhile) collaborator two years ago, and just getting more interesting in the meantime: Ordinary Things takes the [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Geek Studies &#187; Blog Archive &#187; October Link Madness Continues: Comics, TV, Academia, and More</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/comment-page-1/#comment-141079</link>
		<dc:creator>Geek Studies &#187; Blog Archive &#187; October Link Madness Continues: Comics, TV, Academia, and More</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/#comment-141079</guid>
		<description>[...] Webcomics: Anne Thalheimer, a webcomics blogger, muses over what a &#8220;webcomic&#8221; really is, given that plenty of comics artists whose stuff exists online don&#8217;t consider themselves [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Webcomics: Anne Thalheimer, a webcomics blogger, muses over what a &#8220;webcomic&#8221; really is, given that plenty of comics artists whose stuff exists online don&#8217;t consider themselves [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: The Gigcast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Webcomic Wire - 10/19/07</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/comment-page-1/#comment-139621</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gigcast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Webcomic Wire - 10/19/07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/#comment-139621</guid>
		<description>[...] Interesting re-visit of the webcomic/ non webcomic debate over at FLEEN. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Interesting re-visit of the webcomic/ non webcomic debate over at FLEEN. [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mike L</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/comment-page-1/#comment-139572</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/#comment-139572</guid>
		<description>I agree with Chris Wright as well, and would only add that it&#039;s the oiriginal manner of delivery that matters. Collections of PVP still refer to it as a webcomic on the book, even though it&#039;s a collection. We don&#039;t call Peanuts collections graphic novels. One doesn&#039;t have to do some stylish jiggery-pokery to make one&#039;s comic specifically a &#039;web&#039; comic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Chris Wright as well, and would only add that it&#8217;s the oiriginal manner of delivery that matters. Collections of PVP still refer to it as a webcomic on the book, even though it&#8217;s a collection. We don&#8217;t call Peanuts collections graphic novels. One doesn&#8217;t have to do some stylish jiggery-pokery to make one&#8217;s comic specifically a &#8216;web&#8217; comic.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dave Kellett</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/comment-page-1/#comment-139440</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Kellett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 04:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/#comment-139440</guid>
		<description>Christopher sums it up pretty succinctly, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher sums it up pretty succinctly, I think.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Christopher B. Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/comment-page-1/#comment-139423</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher B. Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 02:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/#comment-139423</guid>
		<description>Yes. Online + comic = webcomic. Why? Because &quot;webcomic&quot; is not a description of genre, it is description of the method of publication. Attempting to also turn it into a genre does a great disservice to the medium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Online + comic = webcomic. Why? Because &#8220;webcomic&#8221; is not a description of genre, it is description of the method of publication. Attempting to also turn it into a genre does a great disservice to the medium.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anime and other things &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Online + Comic = Webcomic? (Survey Saysâ€¦).</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/comment-page-1/#comment-139347</link>
		<dc:creator>Anime and other things &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Online + Comic = Webcomic? (Survey Saysâ€¦).</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/#comment-139347</guid>
		<description>[...] Check it out here [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Check it out here [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: james smith</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/comment-page-1/#comment-139277</link>
		<dc:creator>james smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/#comment-139277</guid>
		<description>Does it matter that when I say &quot;movie,&quot; you instinctively know I&#039;m not talking about something created to air on network television? I&#039;m not sure it does. I think the problem comes more from the fact that in the last 100-odd years, we never really got around to defining what *comics* is/are. And now we&#039;re faced with a new delivery system, and we find there&#039;s linguistic work to be done.

I question whether it matters because the general public will decide what to call a thing-- generally based on convenience. Eddie Campbell notwithstanding, I think it&#039;s okay if we get it technically wrong, as long as we understand each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it matter that when I say &#8220;movie,&#8221; you instinctively know I&#8217;m not talking about something created to air on network television? I&#8217;m not sure it does. I think the problem comes more from the fact that in the last 100-odd years, we never really got around to defining what *comics* is/are. And now we&#8217;re faced with a new delivery system, and we find there&#8217;s linguistic work to be done.</p>
<p>I question whether it matters because the general public will decide what to call a thing&#8211; generally based on convenience. Eddie Campbell notwithstanding, I think it&#8217;s okay if we get it technically wrong, as long as we understand each other.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Howard Tayler</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/comment-page-1/#comment-139244</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Tayler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/#comment-139244</guid>
		<description>Does it matter what we call them? Well... only insomuch as the speaker feels that fostering an understanding of the subject matters.

I&#039;ll go out on a limb and say that &quot;all webcomics are comics, but not all comics are webcomics.&quot;

I&#039;ll further posit that (and it gets sticky here) since most of the webcartoonists I identify with are independent creators who own the properties they write and/or illustrate, there is precedent (or tendency) to say that &quot;all webcomics are independent comics.&quot;

The problem with this is that the word &quot;webcomics&quot; is made up of two words whose meanings are, at least in modern tech-speak, fairly fixed. Concatenating those words gives us a word which, to the uninitiated, should mean &quot;any comic that appears on the web is a webcomic.&quot; 

But there are independent cartoonists (and journalists who write about them) who are looking for a word that says &quot;creator-owned comic properties principally delivered via HTTP,&quot; and these folks just don&#039;t have time for more than maybe three or four syllables. To them, &quot;webcomic&quot; would include Penny Arcade, XKCD, and Turn Signals on a Land Raider, but would NOT include Dilbert.

How clearly understood are we when we say &quot;indie&quot; comics? Would saying &quot;Indie Webcomics&quot; and &quot;Syndie Webcomics&quot; allow us to establish firm meaning, and proceed with meaningful dialog rather than an argument over semantics?

With &quot;Ordinary Things&quot; I find elements common in things I call webcomics -- it&#039;s online, freely offered, owned by its creator, presented as a comic, and (for bonus points) it&#039;s a journal.

It is possible that the creator of &quot;Ordinary Things&quot; (which I have not followed beyond looking at enough pictures to say &quot;yeah, webcomic&quot;) is blissfully unaware of &quot;webcomics,&quot; and feels compelled to hang a different shingle out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it matter what we call them? Well&#8230; only insomuch as the speaker feels that fostering an understanding of the subject matters.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll go out on a limb and say that &#8220;all webcomics are comics, but not all comics are webcomics.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll further posit that (and it gets sticky here) since most of the webcartoonists I identify with are independent creators who own the properties they write and/or illustrate, there is precedent (or tendency) to say that &#8220;all webcomics are independent comics.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem with this is that the word &#8220;webcomics&#8221; is made up of two words whose meanings are, at least in modern tech-speak, fairly fixed. Concatenating those words gives us a word which, to the uninitiated, should mean &#8220;any comic that appears on the web is a webcomic.&#8221; </p>
<p>But there are independent cartoonists (and journalists who write about them) who are looking for a word that says &#8220;creator-owned comic properties principally delivered via HTTP,&#8221; and these folks just don&#8217;t have time for more than maybe three or four syllables. To them, &#8220;webcomic&#8221; would include Penny Arcade, XKCD, and Turn Signals on a Land Raider, but would NOT include Dilbert.</p>
<p>How clearly understood are we when we say &#8220;indie&#8221; comics? Would saying &#8220;Indie Webcomics&#8221; and &#8220;Syndie Webcomics&#8221; allow us to establish firm meaning, and proceed with meaningful dialog rather than an argument over semantics?</p>
<p>With &#8220;Ordinary Things&#8221; I find elements common in things I call webcomics &#8212; it&#8217;s online, freely offered, owned by its creator, presented as a comic, and (for bonus points) it&#8217;s a journal.</p>
<p>It is possible that the creator of &#8220;Ordinary Things&#8221; (which I have not followed beyond looking at enough pictures to say &#8220;yeah, webcomic&#8221;) is blissfully unaware of &#8220;webcomics,&#8221; and feels compelled to hang a different shingle out.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Aaron D</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/comment-page-1/#comment-139243</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2007/10/17/online-comic-webcomic-survey-says/#comment-139243</guid>
		<description>There is a difference, though in the long run figuring out which is which isn&#039;t all that important.  For example my work is almost the webbiest you can possibly make a comic.  Everything about it is designed with the internet in mind, so much in fact  that translating it to print form becomes a real pain.  The line isn&#039;t always clear, though, as with the case of my pal Nick Gurewitch.  We webcomickers have long since claimed the PBF as one of our own, but really it&#039;s just a newspaper comic that&#039;s on the internet.

The definition of webcomic or regular comic is only really relevant in determining what the primary focus of the creator is.  Other than that, it really isn&#039;t that important, especially since the line is so blurred to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a difference, though in the long run figuring out which is which isn&#8217;t all that important.  For example my work is almost the webbiest you can possibly make a comic.  Everything about it is designed with the internet in mind, so much in fact  that translating it to print form becomes a real pain.  The line isn&#8217;t always clear, though, as with the case of my pal Nick Gurewitch.  We webcomickers have long since claimed the PBF as one of our own, but really it&#8217;s just a newspaper comic that&#8217;s on the internet.</p>
<p>The definition of webcomic or regular comic is only really relevant in determining what the primary focus of the creator is.  Other than that, it really isn&#8217;t that important, especially since the line is so blurred to begin with.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
