<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: 15 &#215; $</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/</link>
	<description>the webcomics blog about webcomics</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:53:23 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Fleen: Enjoy Our Semi-Abusive Opinion Mongering &#187; Some Of This Relates To Webcomics, Kind Of</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/comment-page-2/#comment-247546</link>
		<dc:creator>Fleen: Enjoy Our Semi-Abusive Opinion Mongering &#187; Some Of This Relates To Webcomics, Kind Of</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/#comment-247546</guid>
		<description>[...] as slash and burn, and don&#8217;t get me started on his near-religious adherence to the idea that Only print pays), but it&#8217;s a shame that he now faces the financial difficulty that comes with job [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as slash and burn, and don&#8217;t get me started on his near-religious adherence to the idea that Only print pays), but it&#8217;s a shame that he now faces the financial difficulty that comes with job [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Fleen: Your Favorite Faux-Muckrakers Since 2005 &#187; Maybe Not So Much</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/comment-page-2/#comment-223059</link>
		<dc:creator>Fleen: Your Favorite Faux-Muckrakers Since 2005 &#187; Maybe Not So Much</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/#comment-223059</guid>
		<description>[...] Interviews  Only print pays. &#8212; Ted Rall, SPLAT! Symposium, 15 March [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Interviews  Only print pays. &#8212; Ted Rall, SPLAT! Symposium, 15 March [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: I, for one, welcome our new webcomics overlords &#124; Quiet Babylon</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/comment-page-2/#comment-214628</link>
		<dc:creator>I, for one, welcome our new webcomics overlords &#124; Quiet Babylon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 13:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/#comment-214628</guid>
		<description>[...] after we were done talking about Project Wonderful business, Ryan and I got to talking about the Fleen thread that exploded about the business of comics. (Ryan linked to it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] after we were done talking about Project Wonderful business, Ryan and I got to talking about the Fleen thread that exploded about the business of comics. (Ryan linked to it [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Fleen: Your Favorite Faux-Muckrakers Since 2005 &#187; Brought To You By The Letter &#8220;G&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/comment-page-2/#comment-195936</link>
		<dc:creator>Fleen: Your Favorite Faux-Muckrakers Since 2005 &#187; Brought To You By The Letter &#8220;G&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/#comment-195936</guid>
		<description>[...]  It seems that Greg Carter was following The Great Web/Print Comics Convocation of Aught-Eight and wondered, &#8220;But does this conversation apply to people not doing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  It seems that Greg Carter was following The Great Web/Print Comics Convocation of Aught-Eight and wondered, &#8220;But does this conversation apply to people not doing [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Digital Strips: The Webcomics Podcast</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/comment-page-2/#comment-194188</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital Strips: The Webcomics Podcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/#comment-194188</guid>
		<description>[...] was the print vs. web discussion that raged through the comment strings of both Fleen and The Daily Cartoonist! After the back and forth on the threads seemed to be at a standstill, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was the print vs. web discussion that raged through the comment strings of both Fleen and The Daily Cartoonist! After the back and forth on the threads seemed to be at a standstill, [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Making Mistakes Making Games &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I, for one, welcome our new webcomics overlords</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/comment-page-2/#comment-193066</link>
		<dc:creator>Making Mistakes Making Games &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I, for one, welcome our new webcomics overlords</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/#comment-193066</guid>
		<description>[...] after we were done talking about Project Wonderful business, Ryan and I got to talking about the Fleen thread that exploded about the business of comics. (Ryan linked to it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] after we were done talking about Project Wonderful business, Ryan and I got to talking about the Fleen thread that exploded about the business of comics. (Ryan linked to it [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Fleen: Your Favorite Faux-Muckrakers Since 2005 &#187; I Just Can&#8217;t Come Up With A Title To Match That Picture</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/comment-page-2/#comment-192890</link>
		<dc:creator>Fleen: Your Favorite Faux-Muckrakers Since 2005 &#187; I Just Can&#8217;t Come Up With A Title To Match That Picture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/#comment-192890</guid>
		<description>[...] of this writing, the great print/webcomics meeting of the minds is now up to 80 comments here at Fleen, followed by 175 at TDC, meaning that just keeping up with progress on the issue has [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of this writing, the great print/webcomics meeting of the minds is now up to 80 comments here at Fleen, followed by 175 at TDC, meaning that just keeping up with progress on the issue has [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dave James</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/comment-page-2/#comment-192599</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/#comment-192599</guid>
		<description>If I was only looking to make money from my webcomic, I probably would have dumped it after strip number 25.

The cool thing (and difficult thing) about webcomics, is that there is NO ONE to blame for your comic&#039;s demise but YOU. On the flip side your comics success is all you as well.

Another great thing about webcomics is that there is no restrictions on your character&#039;s dialog. It&#039;s not like YES I can finally start swearing in my comic, it&#039;s more like, YES I can finally use REALISTIC sounding dialog. The editorial rules on dialog (and subject matter) for the comic pages in newspapers have not changed with the times and I think it is partly responsible for decline in readership.

Would I love to have a syndication deal? Damn straight I would. But, I would probably try to build a strong web presence for the comic, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I was only looking to make money from my webcomic, I probably would have dumped it after strip number 25.</p>
<p>The cool thing (and difficult thing) about webcomics, is that there is NO ONE to blame for your comic&#8217;s demise but YOU. On the flip side your comics success is all you as well.</p>
<p>Another great thing about webcomics is that there is no restrictions on your character&#8217;s dialog. It&#8217;s not like YES I can finally start swearing in my comic, it&#8217;s more like, YES I can finally use REALISTIC sounding dialog. The editorial rules on dialog (and subject matter) for the comic pages in newspapers have not changed with the times and I think it is partly responsible for decline in readership.</p>
<p>Would I love to have a syndication deal? Damn straight I would. But, I would probably try to build a strong web presence for the comic, too.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Topher</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/comment-page-2/#comment-192468</link>
		<dc:creator>Topher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/#comment-192468</guid>
		<description>I think there there are two worlds here. One where people are living an a fish bowl and think that 50K is not a lot by any standard (and yes I did get the analogy of how much the regular syndicated person did and does make), and another one where you&#039;re outside looking where money is the goal to make a living to do what you love, and how much based on living expenses, what your parents made, etc where even the &quot;low&quot; amount of 50K is more than great it&#039;s extra where you can do what you love and have bills paid even if it is rent and not mortage..

I&#039;m also not talking about some low income state. Both my parents were (I say &quot;were&quot; because they are now retired) teachers in Orange County California which is not a cheap place to live, own a home are not working because their retirement is good based on what they made. This is what I grew up as a standard of living. So I can&#039;t fathom how 50K grand (plus a bit because they had a masters degreee and that helps out in teaching) is some sort of small amount. It was enough for me have grown up in a home where two parents worked and  had enough to pay bills, buy computers and not other extra in life. 

I&#039;ll even concede that 50K isn&#039;t what it used to be, but it&#039;s more than enough to live comfortably keep bills paid and enjoy a family life. I know because that&#039;s the kind of income I grew up with. 

Right now If I could make 50K it would be a very comfortable living. 

My point though was two worlds. The one in a fishbowl where you don&#039;t really see out, and the one where you can ONLY see in. I&quot;m sure there&#039;s tinting from either perspective, but I think it needs to be mentioned that we are talking about two different worlds here as it almost seems that the discussion is talking about one. 

If you&#039;re on the outside, you don&#039;t mind making consesions in lower income to just get in and enjoy something more what you do 8-5 PM. There&#039;s also the factor where that 50K is more than what you are making now (and that&#039;s with my BA in one field and AA in another field)

I can&#039;t speak of IN the fish bowl as i myself am on the outside peering in. 

Didn&#039;t mean to make this sound as direct as is probably does but, I thought these were posts worthy of note...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there there are two worlds here. One where people are living an a fish bowl and think that 50K is not a lot by any standard (and yes I did get the analogy of how much the regular syndicated person did and does make), and another one where you&#8217;re outside looking where money is the goal to make a living to do what you love, and how much based on living expenses, what your parents made, etc where even the &#8220;low&#8221; amount of 50K is more than great it&#8217;s extra where you can do what you love and have bills paid even if it is rent and not mortage..</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also not talking about some low income state. Both my parents were (I say &#8220;were&#8221; because they are now retired) teachers in Orange County California which is not a cheap place to live, own a home are not working because their retirement is good based on what they made. This is what I grew up as a standard of living. So I can&#8217;t fathom how 50K grand (plus a bit because they had a masters degreee and that helps out in teaching) is some sort of small amount. It was enough for me have grown up in a home where two parents worked and  had enough to pay bills, buy computers and not other extra in life. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll even concede that 50K isn&#8217;t what it used to be, but it&#8217;s more than enough to live comfortably keep bills paid and enjoy a family life. I know because that&#8217;s the kind of income I grew up with. </p>
<p>Right now If I could make 50K it would be a very comfortable living. </p>
<p>My point though was two worlds. The one in a fishbowl where you don&#8217;t really see out, and the one where you can ONLY see in. I&#8221;m sure there&#8217;s tinting from either perspective, but I think it needs to be mentioned that we are talking about two different worlds here as it almost seems that the discussion is talking about one. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re on the outside, you don&#8217;t mind making consesions in lower income to just get in and enjoy something more what you do 8-5 PM. There&#8217;s also the factor where that 50K is more than what you are making now (and that&#8217;s with my BA in one field and AA in another field)</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak of IN the fish bowl as i myself am on the outside peering in. </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t mean to make this sound as direct as is probably does but, I thought these were posts worthy of note&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: meredith</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/comment-page-2/#comment-192416</link>
		<dc:creator>meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.fleen.com/archives/2008/03/18/15/#comment-192416</guid>
		<description>How in the world can so many assumptions be made about an industry that&#039;s roughly a decade old?

And is it right that we only compare online content with print? I know for a fact from working in television that there is a TON of money in it, much of it wasted and horribly distributed for TV content. I was on Viacom&#039;s comprehensive health plan for a year on a show that never even &lt;i&gt;aired&lt;/i&gt;. Imagine how many cartoonists could make their life&#039;s work on that kind of money! The money TV networks use to furnish an unaired show&#039;s wrap-up party.

Things are changing and advertisers are reluctant to put their money elsewhere, but they will. The money exists, and it will go where today&#039;s youth are. (Incidentally, MTV is miserably behind in the times, and they &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flux.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;know it&lt;/a&gt;. Especially since they lost the MySpace bid.) Kids born in the 90s don&#039;t think of the internet as a novelty or a catalyst for change like us old-timers do. (I&#039;m including myself in that, and I&#039;m 23.) The internet is second nature for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How in the world can so many assumptions be made about an industry that&#8217;s roughly a decade old?</p>
<p>And is it right that we only compare online content with print? I know for a fact from working in television that there is a TON of money in it, much of it wasted and horribly distributed for TV content. I was on Viacom&#8217;s comprehensive health plan for a year on a show that never even <i>aired</i>. Imagine how many cartoonists could make their life&#8217;s work on that kind of money! The money TV networks use to furnish an unaired show&#8217;s wrap-up party.</p>
<p>Things are changing and advertisers are reluctant to put their money elsewhere, but they will. The money exists, and it will go where today&#8217;s youth are. (Incidentally, MTV is miserably behind in the times, and they <a href="http://www.flux.com/" rel="nofollow">know it</a>. Especially since they lost the MySpace bid.) Kids born in the 90s don&#8217;t think of the internet as a novelty or a catalyst for change like us old-timers do. (I&#8217;m including myself in that, and I&#8217;m 23.) The internet is second nature for them.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
