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		<title>By: Fleen: Enjoy Our Semi-Abusive Opinion Mongering &#187; See, The Librarians Are Gang Members, And Sondheim Does The Lyrics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fleen: Enjoy Our Semi-Abusive Opinion Mongering &#187; See, The Librarians Are Gang Members, And Sondheim Does The Lyrics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] spread, but given the way that Platinum&#8217;s had money &#8230; let&#8217;s call them issues &#8230; I can&#8217;t help but think that [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] spread, but given the way that Platinum&#8217;s had money &#8230; let&#8217;s call them issues &#8230; I can&#8217;t help but think that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fleen: Your Favorite Faux-Muckrakers Since 2005 &#187; Element 78</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fleen: Your Favorite Faux-Muckrakers Since 2005 &#187; Element 78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  A few weeks ago, this page wrote: [DJ Coffman] was a very public supporter of Platinum when there was a lot of grief thrown their [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Steve Horton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Horton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know if I could go to the extreme that Gary is going to. I believe that if written parties are happy with one another, they NEED to have a written agreement. Working off-contract is a guarantee that one party will take advantage of the other with no legal recourse.

To put it another way, in the freelance writing business, you&#039;re not supposed to work for a client that doesn&#039;t offer you a contract. It&#039;s likely that client will not pay you otherwise.

Even when writers and artists work together, it&#039;s important to work up a creator&#039;s agreement so that the parties know exactly who owns what in case something goes wrong.

Bottom line: Get it in writing. Always.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if I could go to the extreme that Gary is going to. I believe that if written parties are happy with one another, they NEED to have a written agreement. Working off-contract is a guarantee that one party will take advantage of the other with no legal recourse.</p>
<p>To put it another way, in the freelance writing business, you&#8217;re not supposed to work for a client that doesn&#8217;t offer you a contract. It&#8217;s likely that client will not pay you otherwise.</p>
<p>Even when writers and artists work together, it&#8217;s important to work up a creator&#8217;s agreement so that the parties know exactly who owns what in case something goes wrong.</p>
<p>Bottom line: Get it in writing. Always.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Tyrrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Tyrrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every contract, no matter how routine, how noble, is fundamentally a mechanism to enforce behavior. It doesn&#039;t mean that we don&#039;t sign them; if the risks are outweighed by the benefits, we do. It &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; mean that we have to recognize that a contract is not designed to protect us &lt;em&gt;unless we add specific language to that effect&lt;/em&gt; -- in which case it becomes a means to screw the other party. Sign a contract with that understanding and I guarantee you&#039;ll take it more seriously.

Standard disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, but I annoy the hell out of people I do business with because I actually read the things I sign. &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;I&#039;m very happy with my mortgage, but I can tell you exactly the ways my life will be ruined if I fail to pay up each month. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I&#039;m very happy that my college worked out a scam with ROTC that let freshmen out of PE in return for two easy-A military history classes (while still keeping accreditation), but I can tell you exactly how many years I was obligated to serve if war had broken out during the 23 weeks I was technically an army cadet.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Hell, I read End User License Agreements when I install software; there&#039;s some real damn interesting penalties that I&#039;ve willingly agreed to by clicking a mouse.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;

The point remains: contracts of any sort -- and most certainly &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; limited to IP -- do not exist for when everybody&#039;s happy with each other. They exist to provide specific, enforced remedies -- exerciseable against you or the other party -- if either fail to meet stated obligations. If you&#039;re lucky, the contract is balanced to the degreee that each party can equally screw the other if things go bad. But if you read over a contract you&#039;re offered and can&#039;t identify who (to use T&#039;s phrasing) &quot;the bitch&quot; is, it&#039;s probably you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every contract, no matter how routine, how noble, is fundamentally a mechanism to enforce behavior. It doesn&#8217;t mean that we don&#8217;t sign them; if the risks are outweighed by the benefits, we do. It <em>does</em> mean that we have to recognize that a contract is not designed to protect us <em>unless we add specific language to that effect</em> &#8212; in which case it becomes a means to screw the other party. Sign a contract with that understanding and I guarantee you&#8217;ll take it more seriously.</p>
<p>Standard disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, but I annoy the hell out of people I do business with because I actually read the things I sign.
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<li>I&#8217;m very happy with my mortgage, but I can tell you exactly the ways my life will be ruined if I fail to pay up each month. </li>
<li>I&#8217;m very happy that my college worked out a scam with ROTC that let freshmen out of PE in return for two easy-A military history classes (while still keeping accreditation), but I can tell you exactly how many years I was obligated to serve if war had broken out during the 23 weeks I was technically an army cadet.</li>
<li>Hell, I read End User License Agreements when I install software; there&#8217;s some real damn interesting penalties that I&#8217;ve willingly agreed to by clicking a mouse.</li>
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<p>The point remains: contracts of any sort &#8212; and most certainly <em>not</em> limited to IP &#8212; do not exist for when everybody&#8217;s happy with each other. They exist to provide specific, enforced remedies &#8212; exerciseable against you or the other party &#8212; if either fail to meet stated obligations. If you&#8217;re lucky, the contract is balanced to the degreee that each party can equally screw the other if things go bad. But if you read over a contract you&#8217;re offered and can&#8217;t identify who (to use T&#8217;s phrasing) &#8220;the bitch&#8221; is, it&#8217;s probably you.</p>
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		<title>By: sohmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>sohmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Definitely, do as much as you can in house, but don&#039;t reject outside corporate help just for the spite of it. 

Regarding DJ&#039;s case, keep in mind we&#039;re not sure what happened behind the scenes. On Platinum&#039;s side of things, why would they keep spending thousands of dollars on a series that only sells a couple thousand issues every 2 months? We&#039;re not privy to the contract they signed after HbN went to an ongoing series.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely, do as much as you can in house, but don&#8217;t reject outside corporate help just for the spite of it. </p>
<p>Regarding DJ&#8217;s case, keep in mind we&#8217;re not sure what happened behind the scenes. On Platinum&#8217;s side of things, why would they keep spending thousands of dollars on a series that only sells a couple thousand issues every 2 months? We&#8217;re not privy to the contract they signed after HbN went to an ongoing series.</p>
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		<title>By: T Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>T Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sohmer&#039;s like me, only less pedantic and more focused on the positive today.

I&#039;m just saying that the &quot;all contracts&quot; statement punishes anyone who wants to make a noble contract, and excuses the bad, by presenting bad contracts as a law of nature or logic. Fish gotta swim, tigers gotta hunt, contracts gotta screw the little guy. Whaddayagonnado? 

Of course, there&#039;s a little selfish incentive at work here. I do most of my work with partners on a profit-split or page-rate basis, work that would be impossible without some simple agreements, so I have a vested interest in making this distinction clear.

In DJ&#039;s specific case, we&#039;re also dealing with contract VIOLATION. Defaulting on a contracted payment to a contractor should never be seen as &quot;business as usual.&quot; It&#039;s a crime. It&#039;s wrong. The end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sohmer&#8217;s like me, only less pedantic and more focused on the positive today.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just saying that the &#8220;all contracts&#8221; statement punishes anyone who wants to make a noble contract, and excuses the bad, by presenting bad contracts as a law of nature or logic. Fish gotta swim, tigers gotta hunt, contracts gotta screw the little guy. Whaddayagonnado? </p>
<p>Of course, there&#8217;s a little selfish incentive at work here. I do most of my work with partners on a profit-split or page-rate basis, work that would be impossible without some simple agreements, so I have a vested interest in making this distinction clear.</p>
<p>In DJ&#8217;s specific case, we&#8217;re also dealing with contract VIOLATION. Defaulting on a contracted payment to a contractor should never be seen as &#8220;business as usual.&#8221; It&#8217;s a crime. It&#8217;s wrong. The end.</p>
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		<title>By: Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; May 4, 2008: Brian Braddock does not like Mondays</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; May 4, 2008: Brian Braddock does not like Mondays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8220;Contracts are not enchanted documents that enforce some kind of morality upon all parties involved. They are not magically consumed in brilliant clouds of sparks and dust if either party breaches the terms. A company could go bankrupt and you might still never regain your rights.&#8221; - Scott Kurtz (link via Gary Tyrrell) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Contracts are not enchanted documents that enforce some kind of morality upon all parties involved. They are not magically consumed in brilliant clouds of sparks and dust if either party breaches the terms. A company could go bankrupt and you might still never regain your rights.&#8221; &#8211; Scott Kurtz (link via Gary Tyrrell) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Kurtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Kurtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said, Ryan.

But I think even you agree that you should do as much in-house as possible and where feasible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Ryan.</p>
<p>But I think even you agree that you should do as much in-house as possible and where feasible.</p>
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		<title>By: sohmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>sohmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know if I agree with you there, Kris.

Yes, most of what larger entities offer creative types could be done on their own.  But it&#039;s a lot less of a sure thing being the small guy, the larger guys are the larger guys because their methods are proven.

Giving another example, if a huge book chain came to you and said we want to order order 50,000 copies of Starslip #1 for sale in our stores around the country.

Sounds great, but because of how the book industry works, you&#039;re the one who needs to put up the cash for the printing.

And because the book industry works on consignment, on average, there will be 30% returns to you, which you&#039;re accountable for.

So where you going to find over 50k to put together your print run?

That&#039;s where the corporate folks come in.

My point here is that we shouldn&#039;t be thinking we can do it all on our own because we can&#039;t, we don&#039;t have the same resources as Time Warner.

We should be educating ourselves and our industry so that we&#039;re singing the RIGHT contracts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if I agree with you there, Kris.</p>
<p>Yes, most of what larger entities offer creative types could be done on their own.  But it&#8217;s a lot less of a sure thing being the small guy, the larger guys are the larger guys because their methods are proven.</p>
<p>Giving another example, if a huge book chain came to you and said we want to order order 50,000 copies of Starslip #1 for sale in our stores around the country.</p>
<p>Sounds great, but because of how the book industry works, you&#8217;re the one who needs to put up the cash for the printing.</p>
<p>And because the book industry works on consignment, on average, there will be 30% returns to you, which you&#8217;re accountable for.</p>
<p>So where you going to find over 50k to put together your print run?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s where the corporate folks come in.</p>
<p>My point here is that we shouldn&#8217;t be thinking we can do it all on our own because we can&#8217;t, we don&#8217;t have the same resources as Time Warner.</p>
<p>We should be educating ourselves and our industry so that we&#8217;re singing the RIGHT contracts.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Kurtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Kurtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve signed many contracts with people who were admirable and have upheld their end of the partership as well or better than I held up mine.

It&#039;s possible to enter into a good agreement with a publisher, media company or vendor. It happens every day.

But contracts are there as a documentation of what was originally agreed upon. It&#039;s documentation, not a means of enforcement.

I don&#039;t think enough people know that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve signed many contracts with people who were admirable and have upheld their end of the partership as well or better than I held up mine.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible to enter into a good agreement with a publisher, media company or vendor. It happens every day.</p>
<p>But contracts are there as a documentation of what was originally agreed upon. It&#8217;s documentation, not a means of enforcement.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think enough people know that.</p>
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