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		<title>By: Fleen: Home Of The Webcomics Action News Team! &#187; This Week Is Frontloaded</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2009/12/22/some-days-i-feel-like-a-real-goddamn-journalist/comment-page-4/#comment-379546</link>
		<dc:creator>Fleen: Home Of The Webcomics Action News Team! &#187; This Week Is Frontloaded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Skullkickers page, but at Keenspot. I may have missed something in the two years or so since the Great Keenspot Realignment, and I don&#8217;t recall any new properties being added to the Keen banner in that time that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Skullkickers page, but at Keenspot. I may have missed something in the two years or so since the Great Keenspot Realignment, and I don&#8217;t recall any new properties being added to the Keen banner in that time that [...]</p>
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		<dc:creator>Talking with R. C. Monroe &#124; The Webcast Beacon Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 04:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Out There&#8217;s  Two Cents in Sixty Seconds, Fleen article on Keenspot, Tin Lizard Productions, Comic Tools, Atop the Fourth Wall, Dungeon Legacy, WAGON Webcomic Battle, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Out There&#8217;s  Two Cents in Sixty Seconds, Fleen article on Keenspot, Tin Lizard Productions, Comic Tools, Atop the Fourth Wall, Dungeon Legacy, WAGON Webcomic Battle, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fleen: Home Of The Webcomics Action News Team! &#187; Title, Or, Another Title</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2009/12/22/some-days-i-feel-like-a-real-goddamn-journalist/comment-page-4/#comment-317043</link>
		<dc:creator>Fleen: Home Of The Webcomics Action News Team! &#187; Title, Or, Another Title</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of publishing, it&#8217;s been a year (more or less) since news of Keenspot&#8217;s reorganization broke, and six months (more or less) since the changes announced at that time went into effect. I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of publishing, it&#8217;s been a year (more or less) since news of Keenspot&#8217;s reorganization broke, and six months (more or less) since the changes announced at that time went into effect. I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Strip News 12-25-9 &#124; Strip News &#124; ArtPatient &#124; ArtPatient</title>
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		<dc:creator>Strip News 12-25-9 &#124; Strip News &#124; ArtPatient &#124; ArtPatient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You&#8217;ve heard of the Keenspot thing by now and some are starting to chime in about it. I suspect more will come out about it but the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Fleen: Home Of The Webcomics Action News Team! &#187; Late Summer Doldrums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fleen: Home Of The Webcomics Action News Team! &#187; Late Summer Doldrums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] their work done. For a hack pseudo-journalist, it&#8217;s depressingly sane &#8230; even the Great Keenspot Reorg went by without a peep. Let&#8217;s see if the mailbag has anything [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] their work done. For a hack pseudo-journalist, it&#8217;s depressingly sane &#8230; even the Great Keenspot Reorg went by without a peep. Let&#8217;s see if the mailbag has anything [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dotty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 14:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobby, I stopped reading anything on the internet that was webcomic-newsworthy that had anything to do with keenspot, because unfortunately, I associated them with you. I know you were bought out years ago, and that decision was recieved happily; the forums at the time thought you were going to go away. For a time, you did...but much like some kind of cancer, you came back and continued shouting where you left off.

So I walked away from KS forums, and largely the KS business. I still read a few comics there, but the last one Gaming Guardians) just left.

Still, STILL, I find you elsewhere on the internet, shooting off wildly, being a gigantic douchebag calling everyone liars, when the &quot;liars&quot; are the only ones offering any supporting evidence. In other words, you&#039;re behaving like a four year old.

Never had a problem with Teri, Nate, or Gav. The only issue I have with Chris is that he defends your behavior, even when you&#039;re making death threats, or suggesting people should die, in between all your yelling of LIES AND SLANDER.

Honestly, if you want to talk about who hurts KS&#039; reputation, it&#039;s you Bobby. You&#039;ve been making KS look terrible for years. You need a muzzle, anger management classes, or god knows what, but you need professional help. This much is clear.

Seriously, you DO do the things they fired Kel for. You make Keenspot look bad every single day of the week, every time you log onto that computer and find the keyboard, you make them look bad.

Go back and read the thread here in its entirety, you&#039;re going to notice you&#039;re the only real dissenting opinion here, muddled between a lot of actual professionals.

GET OVER YOURSELF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobby, I stopped reading anything on the internet that was webcomic-newsworthy that had anything to do with keenspot, because unfortunately, I associated them with you. I know you were bought out years ago, and that decision was recieved happily; the forums at the time thought you were going to go away. For a time, you did&#8230;but much like some kind of cancer, you came back and continued shouting where you left off.</p>
<p>So I walked away from KS forums, and largely the KS business. I still read a few comics there, but the last one Gaming Guardians) just left.</p>
<p>Still, STILL, I find you elsewhere on the internet, shooting off wildly, being a gigantic douchebag calling everyone liars, when the &#8220;liars&#8221; are the only ones offering any supporting evidence. In other words, you&#8217;re behaving like a four year old.</p>
<p>Never had a problem with Teri, Nate, or Gav. The only issue I have with Chris is that he defends your behavior, even when you&#8217;re making death threats, or suggesting people should die, in between all your yelling of LIES AND SLANDER.</p>
<p>Honestly, if you want to talk about who hurts KS&#8217; reputation, it&#8217;s you Bobby. You&#8217;ve been making KS look terrible for years. You need a muzzle, anger management classes, or god knows what, but you need professional help. This much is clear.</p>
<p>Seriously, you DO do the things they fired Kel for. You make Keenspot look bad every single day of the week, every time you log onto that computer and find the keyboard, you make them look bad.</p>
<p>Go back and read the thread here in its entirety, you&#8217;re going to notice you&#8217;re the only real dissenting opinion here, muddled between a lot of actual professionals.</p>
<p>GET OVER YOURSELF.</p>
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		<title>By: Bardsworth - Magic, Friends, and Cookies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bardsworth - Magic, Friends, and Cookies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 19:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] content. At first I thought it was a joke, I really did. This was happening in the wake of the Keenspot debacle, something that happened very suddenly and out of the blue, just like this was. It was also [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] content. At first I thought it was a joke, I really did. This was happening in the wake of the Keenspot debacle, something that happened very suddenly and out of the blue, just like this was. It was also [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gianna Masetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gianna Masetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s their business after all. They could fire a bunch of authors and just keep those they want, but with the risk that those they want would walk. In this way, they know that they can count on the people who sign the contract and they can cull their numbers later. It&#039;s not pleasant but it&#039;s nothing that you wouldn&#039;t see companies do with their employees (&quot;voluntary redundancy&quot; schemes and all that). 

Anyway, whatever the audience of a comic, I&#039;m quite sure that with the current prices of bandwidth, ad revenues will always cover abundantly for hosting costs. There&#039;s no reason aside from companionship and booths at cons to be managed by someone else. 

Also, I&#039;m quite grateful to Keenspot because I started on Keenspace back in 2004 and I might never have started if it wasn&#039;t for it - it seemed costly and scary to put a comic on the web by myself and I didn&#039;t know the first thing about how to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s their business after all. They could fire a bunch of authors and just keep those they want, but with the risk that those they want would walk. In this way, they know that they can count on the people who sign the contract and they can cull their numbers later. It&#8217;s not pleasant but it&#8217;s nothing that you wouldn&#8217;t see companies do with their employees (&#8220;voluntary redundancy&#8221; schemes and all that). </p>
<p>Anyway, whatever the audience of a comic, I&#8217;m quite sure that with the current prices of bandwidth, ad revenues will always cover abundantly for hosting costs. There&#8217;s no reason aside from companionship and booths at cons to be managed by someone else. </p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m quite grateful to Keenspot because I started on Keenspace back in 2004 and I might never have started if it wasn&#8217;t for it &#8211; it seemed costly and scary to put a comic on the web by myself and I didn&#8217;t know the first thing about how to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gianna Masetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gianna Masetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s their business after all. They could fire a bunch of authors and just keep those they want, but with the risk that those they want would walk. In this way, they know that they can count on the people who sign the contract and they can cull their numbers later. It&#039;s not pleasant but it&#039;s nothing that you wouldn&#039;t see companies do with their employees (&quot;voluntary redundancy&quot; schemes and all that). Anyway, whatever the audience of a comic, I&#039;m quite sure that with the current prices of bandwidth, ad revenues will always cover abundantly for hosting costs - there&#039;s no reason to be managed by someone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s their business after all. They could fire a bunch of authors and just keep those they want, but with the risk that those they want would walk. In this way, they know that they can count on the people who sign the contract and they can cull their numbers later. It&#8217;s not pleasant but it&#8217;s nothing that you wouldn&#8217;t see companies do with their employees (&#8220;voluntary redundancy&#8221; schemes and all that). Anyway, whatever the audience of a comic, I&#8217;m quite sure that with the current prices of bandwidth, ad revenues will always cover abundantly for hosting costs &#8211; there&#8217;s no reason to be managed by someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Carson Fire</title>
		<link>http://www.fleen.com/archives/2009/12/22/some-days-i-feel-like-a-real-goddamn-journalist/comment-page-4/#comment-267352</link>
		<dc:creator>Carson Fire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 03:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At some point, I just had to skip the bulk of the comments and come down here to just say that Chris and Teri and everybody else at Keenspot have been incredibly helpful and supportive -- massively and *consistently*.

The reason the original concept of Keenspot has outlived its internet usefulness is because it has been not so much a &quot;link collective&quot;, but more like a virtual family. That&#039;s the part of it that&#039;s going to be missed most. It&#039;s not &quot;passive aggressiveness&quot; -- it&#039;s about community. That&#039;s why it&#039;s been disappointing that a better business model couldn&#039;t be wrapped around it, even though that&#039;s a backwards way of doing it. Like Maritza said, the internet&#039;s changed a lot in 10 years, and it&#039;s just hard to let go of this close relationship, even though the business side of it doesn&#039;t make so much sense anymore.

That&#039;s probably why this all sounds weird to Scott Kurtz. I don&#039;t think he ever got that family aspect of it. A long time ago, before he started hating on me, he tried convincing me that Chris &amp; co. were robbing me, somehow. But I&#039;ve always been better off by being associated with Keenspot than I would have been otherwise. It&#039;s one place where I always knew I could rely on help and support.

And that the Crosby family are finding a more valid path for the business -- I&#039;m not sure why that&#039;s supposed to upset or hurt me. From my perspective, they have helped me far more over the years than I have helped them. For years now, they&#039;ve been the central pillar of support for a web activity that didn&#039;t use to have much support at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At some point, I just had to skip the bulk of the comments and come down here to just say that Chris and Teri and everybody else at Keenspot have been incredibly helpful and supportive &#8212; massively and *consistently*.</p>
<p>The reason the original concept of Keenspot has outlived its internet usefulness is because it has been not so much a &#8220;link collective&#8221;, but more like a virtual family. That&#8217;s the part of it that&#8217;s going to be missed most. It&#8217;s not &#8220;passive aggressiveness&#8221; &#8212; it&#8217;s about community. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s been disappointing that a better business model couldn&#8217;t be wrapped around it, even though that&#8217;s a backwards way of doing it. Like Maritza said, the internet&#8217;s changed a lot in 10 years, and it&#8217;s just hard to let go of this close relationship, even though the business side of it doesn&#8217;t make so much sense anymore.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s probably why this all sounds weird to Scott Kurtz. I don&#8217;t think he ever got that family aspect of it. A long time ago, before he started hating on me, he tried convincing me that Chris &amp; co. were robbing me, somehow. But I&#8217;ve always been better off by being associated with Keenspot than I would have been otherwise. It&#8217;s one place where I always knew I could rely on help and support.</p>
<p>And that the Crosby family are finding a more valid path for the business &#8212; I&#8217;m not sure why that&#8217;s supposed to upset or hurt me. From my perspective, they have helped me far more over the years than I have helped them. For years now, they&#8217;ve been the central pillar of support for a web activity that didn&#8217;t use to have much support at all.</p>
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